H2 FCEVs for big, heavy fleet vehicles like trucks, boats, earth movers, etc. At auto show Honda told me I could drive a Clarity FCEV out of CA in 2040. H2 is not ready for cars. I’ll take BEVs because I ‘d like to drive out of CA before I die.
Bursting the miss Information of BEV vs hydrogen fuel cell bubbles below is why hydrogen fuel cells are already being used by the masses in cars and trucks in California which has dozens of state wide hydrogen fuel stations already being used and Shell is building more hydrogen filling stations coming online monthly.
Toyota, Hyundai and others have been selling hydrogen fuel cell cars for years.
Hydrogen Fuel Cells are the future and why.
5 reasons why the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle (HFCEV) have superior end-to-end Net Zero emissions transportation solutions on all levels over today’s Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) technologies and charging methodologies.
1)HFCEV much smaller battery saves on battery Raw Materials helping prevent EV battery shortages, already a huge industry concern
2)HFCEV smaller battery saves significant weight per vehicle
3)HFCEV smaller battery has far less material for disposal and costly replacement
4)HFCEV battery is charged slowly significantly extending battery performance, life and downgraded infinite repurposing
5)HFCEV have superior Grid Power & Emissions Management over consumer based random BEV Grid Only Charging as follows:
A. 90% of grid power plants have emissions
B. Grid Loading: total capacity is running low, peak & surplus demand management issues
C. Public Chargers: use grid power, many not working, bad quality potentially harmful to self and/or vehicle, susceptible to vandalism, fast chargers actually very slow & time consuming, over paying, hard to find & no guarantee will be working or available and costly. In fact, Tesla has ended their free charging program.
In detail:
The raw material demands for lithium ion batteries are growing faster than capacity growth, are finite and mostly come from countries with no environmental or labor regulations constantly contaminating the environment and worker deaths, many of which are children.
The HFCEV requires 45-75% less lithium ion battery capacity than a comparable lithium ion BEV, thus their are less raw materials required for HFCEV battery and also huge weight savings. Further, the superior energy density and lighter weight of hydrogen, the lightest, highest energy dense most abundant element on Earth and Universe, also reduces vehicle weight.
The hydrogen fuel generates consistent high quality zero emission electricity, which is constantly optimized by the onboard computer battery charging system for superior extended battery performance not only through the life of the vehicle, but beyond in the fast growing market of usable downgraded EV battery repurposing applications. This saves on costly battery replacements during vehicle life and virtually eliminates the costly growing disposal issues of unusable, little recyclable toxic spent BEV batteries.
The only byproduct of the hydrogen fuel cell is pure clean water which evaporates into the environment to be used again for more hydrogen. The only self emitting sustainable circular energy solution on Earth.
Furthermore, extracting hydrogen from water through electrolysis using solar and wind generated electricity gives the hydrogen fuel cell a true net zero emission solution. Even though using green sources to charge BEV are also net zero emission solutions, compared to the HFCEV, BEV batteries are up to 4 times larger and heavier becoming dead weight as the power drains from the batteries.
In contrast, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles become lighter as the hydrogen is being used thus vehicle efficiency increases. In fact, a BEV semi can weigh up to 5000lbs more than a HFCEV semi. Thus, the HFCEV semi can potentially generate an additional $100,000 per year in revenue for the same miles driven as a BEV semi. Thus in commercial applications the hydrogen fuel cell truck clearly wins over the BEV truck.
As the hydrogen fuel cell provides in vehicle constant battery charging, BEV don’t, and thus one must rely on external charging options. All public BEV chargers are not created equal, many commonly “out of service” and all susceptible to vandalism. They can be costly to use, extremely time consuming and even “fast chargers” sometimes aren’t fast at all. Fast or “superchargers” actually degrade battery performance, longevity and in many cases prevents future downgraded usability.
In contrast, storing energy in hydrogen is vastly more efficient than batteries due to hydrogens significant higher energy density, lighter weight, superior storage life, lower storage costs, has no toxic disposal or recycling issues that arise from storing energy in batteries alone.
Producing hydrogen through electrolysis powered by green sustainable sources supplemented by non peak/surplus grid power prevents the need of building additional power plants of which 90% are pollution emitting coal or natural gas.
BEV grid charging during peak usages times, especially during hot Summer months, are causing growing concerns of causing blackouts. If just one new coal or natural gas power plant is built to meet the growing BEV peak power charging demands, for decades the new power plant will causes significantly more net environmental damage than the ICE vehicles the BEV are replaced. If the ICE vehicles are replaced with HFCEV, problem solved, no new power plants needed.
Also, the “fast chargers” charging BEV actually destroy battery performance, longevity and reusability even in downgraded applications. Thus lots of costly battery replacements and toxic battery waste to deal with.
In short, if hydrogen fuel cells vehicles aren’t the primary source replacing today’s ultra clean burning ICE vehicles, the current BEV being offered can actually be more environmentally harmful than the ICE they are replacing.
Knowing this, California has been proactive promoting hydrogen fuel cell cars and trucks with Toyota and others, have vast hydrogen filling stations throughout the state and more coming on line monthly.
In conclusion, until BEV batteries have the same energy density, lower weight and longevity (0% fast charging degradation) of the HFCEV, the current hydrogen fuel cell solution is superior on all levels over today’s best BEV.
The future: Combing the hydrogen fuel cell with next generation of super capacitors currently in development, will virtually eliminate the need for the larger and heavier lithium ion batteries altogether.
Clearly the hydrogen fuel cell is the best end-to-end local and over the road EV charging solutions for today’s and future technologies under development, likely for decades to come.
I was referring to using steam-power as in having a boiler system that heats up water and,with some exceptions, everything would run on steam power, not driving electrical motors
@Karl Smith They won’t. That’s not the brand they want to be.
Edit: Also it wouldn’t be a Tesla because they can’t just make an engine themselves. Making an electric car is easy (evident in the EV startups everywhere) but a modern ICE is a very complex machine that requires experienced designers to develop.
Hydrogen will be great when we can produce it cheaply and cleanly with renewables. Until then. Nope. Making hydrogen with fossil fuels makes zero sense.
@rkan2 maybe …. i actually would like to see fusion energy cars … then our cars wouldn’t need to refuel every 2 days but every 2 years maybe but too much radiation… ahh i dont know i am not an engineer… nice to talk with everyone here .. good bye !
@pause the game I respect other’s opinions on hydrogen fuel cells, but in this case I don’t agree with them for valid reasons.
I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 with my late PhD Dad, an advanced chemical and material engineer, using advanced green technologies technologies to produce hydrogen through electrolysis.
The big oil companies and USA automotive manufacturers pay billions every year to political special interest groups to keep hydrogen fuel cells out of the masses.
Tesla is the first real threat to the big 3 USA automobile manufacturers who are now decades behind. However, Toyota, Hyundai and others have actual production hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the global market place including in California, USA. They know until battery technology can match the superior energy density, higher performance, sustainable and lighter weight of the hydrogen fuel cell, the hydrogen fuel cell is the future, not today’s BEV.
Also, Shell Oil realizes the future is hydrogen fuel cells, and has dozens of hydrogen service stations in California, adding dozens of new hydrogen fuel stations monthly.
The hydrogen fuel cell, water as it’s only byproduct used to create more hydrogen through solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric powered electrolysis, is the only circular Net Zero emission end-to-end sustainable vehicle power transportation solution on Earth and Universe. All verifiable facts.
@I Care “Considering the industrial production of hydrogen, and using current best processes for water electrolysis (PEM or alkaline electrolysis) which have an effective electrical efficiency of 70–82%,[36][37][38] producing 1 kg of hydrogen (which has a specific energy of 143 MJ/kg or about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50–55 kWh of electricity. At an electricity cost of $0.06/kWh, as set out in the Department of Energy hydrogen production targets for 2015,[39] the hydrogen cost is $3/kg.”
Why wouldn’t you just charge the car with the 50kWh? Makes little economical sense for passenger cars.
@rkan2 Your using older hydrogen technology numbers and your not recognizing power storage needs. Relying on grid power which is already running low on peak usage times, storing energy in batteries even on off peak power grid times defeats any discussion in favor of batteries over hydrogens superior energy density storage. One can much better manage energy storage through hydrogen with electrolysis using wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric and off peak and surplus grid energy. The vastly growing BEV consumers will overload the power grid plugging in their BEV after work especially in Summer months running their home A/C units. Even with home solar, one still needs power storage for electricity produced during daylight. In winter months I leave for work while it’s still dark and return home after dark. Thus without home solar battery power storage, home solar power to charge BEV is worthless. Hydrogens superior energy density and lighter weight is supper power storage compared to today’s best lithium ion batteries. Preventing the need of new coal or natural gas power plants, priceless.
Hydrogen fuel cells with ultra high capacity capacitors under development will nearly eliminate the lithium ion battery. Thus, per verifiable data, hydrogen fuel cells are the future today.
As of right now, a plug in hybrid makes the most sense for most people. That’s mainly due to lack of knowledge about EV’s by the masses. With a plug in, even if you don’t plug it in, it can still drive nearly 560 miles like on the Rav 4 Prime, no EV can beat that now.
@Devin Bender I respect other’s opinions, but in this case I don’t agree with them for valid reasons. I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 with my late PhD Dad, an advanced chemical and material engineer, using advanced technologies. The big oil companies and USA automotive manufacturers pay billions every year to political special interest groups to keep hydrogen fuel cells out of the masses. Tesla is the first real threat of the big 3, who are now decades behind. However, Toyota, and now Hyundai and others have production hydrogen fuel cell cars and trucks in the global market place including CA. They know until battery technology can match the superior energy density, higher performance, sustainable and lighter weight of the hydrogen fuel cell, the hydrogen fuel cell is the future, not today’s BEV.
Cheers,
KP
-Truth has no agenda.
@Devin Bender I have done an independent research and costs analysis. The cost per kilowatt for new coal and natural gas power plants that will soon be required to handle peak loading of the projected BEV coming online vastly changes the total net financial impact numbers you are leaving out.
Even the wacky dysfunctional California government understands hydrogen fuels are the future as they prevent the need for additional power plants, which are coal and/or natural gas, which add to fossil fuel emissions and higher energy costs.
People only look at specific parts of the equation that best fits their biases are not valid claims.
As an new product development mechanical and cost analysis engineer sitting on and contributing to many ASTM standards, I look at big picture unbiased data for valid analysis. The dirty truths of BEV will hit the fan just like they did in the nuclear energy industry.
I don’t think the big oil companies will let themselves go and let the electric replace the gasoline, at least not for the moment, maybe in 100 years..
@I Care
I totally agree with you on all points, myself I am for these technologies, but I speak on a global level, I do not think that these very big companies will let go quickly, especially that everything that happens in the world right now it’s because of petroleum.
Thank you anyway for your intervention, it’s good data to know.
@Mohamed Ali Hebboul Shell Oil in California is building new hydrogen fuel stations coming in line every month. Big oil and lobbyists for years have been putting down fuel cells with massive disinformation. I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 using electrolysis powered by my zero emission sterling engine using solar heat to power it.
Oooor you could make your own electric car and take that solar panel and drive 3x as far and save all that water for California that’s always running out….
I predict no one knows what it will be. Lets see back in the late 1800s early 1900s it was the baker elictic then the steam car then in the 50s it was jet powerd where all going to take down gas pawerd cars .and then flying cars. Then it was the deth of performce cars in 70s an 80s by the late 90s Earl 2000s deth of the suv thats a funny one😆.by the mid 2000s the deth of the mid size pickup they nailed that one 🤣 .and threw all of if the deth of gas powered car was perdicted hows that worked out so far🤔. Sorry if i missed a few. the deth of the gas powered automobile has ben at the four front for decaids. and guess what its still hear an domanaits new car sale. elictic car evs sales is less the 1% of all New car sales. Group think it alway So earnist but mostly never right.
can we get a city test…stop and go driving? i live in the same type of area but havnt driven up the mountains for years…using a hybrid away from the city kind of defeats the purpose of the hybrid, like the hybrid Ram you guys had and never used in town
Hydrogen will never succeed outside of heavy duty trucking. Bev is a fundamentally more efficient technology and therefore will always be better and cheaper to operate.
Hydrogen just doesn’t have the infrastructure even for a person living in Cali where there are pumps. Electricity is much more flexible.
H2 FCEVs for big, heavy fleet vehicles like trucks, boats, earth movers, etc. At auto show Honda told me I could drive a Clarity FCEV out of CA in 2040. H2 is not ready for cars. I’ll take BEVs because I ‘d like to drive out of CA before I die.
Finally a voice of reason!
I agree. BEV to replace gasoline powered cars.
HEV to replace diesel powered vehicles
I’d sooner go back to using steam-powered heavy fleet vehicles than go All-Electric
Karl Smith that’s his hole point.
Hydrogen is the future for commercial vehicles.
Batteries for commuter
Bursting the miss Information of BEV vs hydrogen fuel cell bubbles below is why hydrogen fuel cells are already being used by the masses in cars and trucks in California which has dozens of state wide hydrogen fuel stations already being used and Shell is building more hydrogen filling stations coming online monthly.
Toyota, Hyundai and others have been selling hydrogen fuel cell cars for years.
Hydrogen Fuel Cells are the future and why.
5 reasons why the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle (HFCEV) have superior end-to-end Net Zero emissions transportation solutions on all levels over today’s Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) technologies and charging methodologies.
1)HFCEV much smaller battery saves on battery Raw Materials helping prevent EV battery shortages, already a huge industry concern
2)HFCEV smaller battery saves significant weight per vehicle
3)HFCEV smaller battery has far less material for disposal and costly replacement
4)HFCEV battery is charged slowly significantly extending battery performance, life and downgraded infinite repurposing
5)HFCEV have superior Grid Power & Emissions Management over consumer based random BEV Grid Only Charging as follows:
A. 90% of grid power plants have emissions
B. Grid Loading: total capacity is running low, peak & surplus demand management issues
C. Public Chargers: use grid power, many not working, bad quality potentially harmful to self and/or vehicle, susceptible to vandalism, fast chargers actually very slow & time consuming, over paying, hard to find & no guarantee will be working or available and costly. In fact, Tesla has ended their free charging program.
In detail:
The raw material demands for lithium ion batteries are growing faster than capacity growth, are finite and mostly come from countries with no environmental or labor regulations constantly contaminating the environment and worker deaths, many of which are children.
The HFCEV requires 45-75% less lithium ion battery capacity than a comparable lithium ion BEV, thus their are less raw materials required for HFCEV battery and also huge weight savings. Further, the superior energy density and lighter weight of hydrogen, the lightest, highest energy dense most abundant element on Earth and Universe, also reduces vehicle weight.
The hydrogen fuel generates consistent high quality zero emission electricity, which is constantly optimized by the onboard computer battery charging system for superior extended battery performance not only through the life of the vehicle, but beyond in the fast growing market of usable downgraded EV battery repurposing applications. This saves on costly battery replacements during vehicle life and virtually eliminates the costly growing disposal issues of unusable, little recyclable toxic spent BEV batteries.
The only byproduct of the hydrogen fuel cell is pure clean water which evaporates into the environment to be used again for more hydrogen. The only self emitting sustainable circular energy solution on Earth.
Furthermore, extracting hydrogen from water through electrolysis using solar and wind generated electricity gives the hydrogen fuel cell a true net zero emission solution. Even though using green sources to charge BEV are also net zero emission solutions, compared to the HFCEV, BEV batteries are up to 4 times larger and heavier becoming dead weight as the power drains from the batteries.
In contrast, hydrogen fuel cell vehicles become lighter as the hydrogen is being used thus vehicle efficiency increases. In fact, a BEV semi can weigh up to 5000lbs more than a HFCEV semi. Thus, the HFCEV semi can potentially generate an additional $100,000 per year in revenue for the same miles driven as a BEV semi. Thus in commercial applications the hydrogen fuel cell truck clearly wins over the BEV truck.
As the hydrogen fuel cell provides in vehicle constant battery charging, BEV don’t, and thus one must rely on external charging options. All public BEV chargers are not created equal, many commonly “out of service” and all susceptible to vandalism. They can be costly to use, extremely time consuming and even “fast chargers” sometimes aren’t fast at all. Fast or “superchargers” actually degrade battery performance, longevity and in many cases prevents future downgraded usability.
In contrast, storing energy in hydrogen is vastly more efficient than batteries due to hydrogens significant higher energy density, lighter weight, superior storage life, lower storage costs, has no toxic disposal or recycling issues that arise from storing energy in batteries alone.
Producing hydrogen through electrolysis powered by green sustainable sources supplemented by non peak/surplus grid power prevents the need of building additional power plants of which 90% are pollution emitting coal or natural gas.
BEV grid charging during peak usages times, especially during hot Summer months, are causing growing concerns of causing blackouts. If just one new coal or natural gas power plant is built to meet the growing BEV peak power charging demands, for decades the new power plant will causes significantly more net environmental damage than the ICE vehicles the BEV are replaced. If the ICE vehicles are replaced with HFCEV, problem solved, no new power plants needed.
Also, the “fast chargers” charging BEV actually destroy battery performance, longevity and reusability even in downgraded applications. Thus lots of costly battery replacements and toxic battery waste to deal with.
In short, if hydrogen fuel cells vehicles aren’t the primary source replacing today’s ultra clean burning ICE vehicles, the current BEV being offered can actually be more environmentally harmful than the ICE they are replacing.
Knowing this, California has been proactive promoting hydrogen fuel cell cars and trucks with Toyota and others, have vast hydrogen filling stations throughout the state and more coming on line monthly.
In conclusion, until BEV batteries have the same energy density, lower weight and longevity (0% fast charging degradation) of the HFCEV, the current hydrogen fuel cell solution is superior on all levels over today’s best BEV.
The future: Combing the hydrogen fuel cell with next generation of super capacitors currently in development, will virtually eliminate the need for the larger and heavier lithium ion batteries altogether.
Clearly the hydrogen fuel cell is the best end-to-end local and over the road EV charging solutions for today’s and future technologies under development, likely for decades to come.
@Devin Bender you’ve clearly missed my point:
I was referring to using steam-power as in having a boiler system that heats up water and,with some exceptions, everything would run on steam power, not driving electrical motors
Telsa needs to put heat pumps in every vehicle!
Tesla needs to start offering hybrids as an alternative option for anyone who does a lot of long-distance driving (like me)
@Karl Smith They won’t. That’s not the brand they want to be.
Edit: Also it wouldn’t be a Tesla because they can’t just make an engine themselves. Making an electric car is easy (evident in the EV startups everywhere) but a modern ICE is a very complex machine that requires experienced designers to develop.
@Karl Smith You could hack one and drive one towing a generator 😀 You only need ~20kW generator to drive 60mph
Hydrogen will be great when we can produce it cheaply and cleanly with renewables. Until then. Nope. Making hydrogen with fossil fuels makes zero sense.
@rkan2 maybe …. i actually would like to see fusion energy cars … then our cars wouldn’t need to refuel every 2 days but every 2 years maybe but too much radiation… ahh i dont know i am not an engineer… nice to talk with everyone here .. good bye !
@pause the game I respect other’s opinions on hydrogen fuel cells, but in this case I don’t agree with them for valid reasons.
I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 with my late PhD Dad, an advanced chemical and material engineer, using advanced green technologies technologies to produce hydrogen through electrolysis.
The big oil companies and USA automotive manufacturers pay billions every year to political special interest groups to keep hydrogen fuel cells out of the masses.
Tesla is the first real threat to the big 3 USA automobile manufacturers who are now decades behind. However, Toyota, Hyundai and others have actual production hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the global market place including in California, USA. They know until battery technology can match the superior energy density, higher performance, sustainable and lighter weight of the hydrogen fuel cell, the hydrogen fuel cell is the future, not today’s BEV.
Also, Shell Oil realizes the future is hydrogen fuel cells, and has dozens of hydrogen service stations in California, adding dozens of new hydrogen fuel stations monthly.
The hydrogen fuel cell, water as it’s only byproduct used to create more hydrogen through solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric powered electrolysis, is the only circular Net Zero emission end-to-end sustainable vehicle power transportation solution on Earth and Universe. All verifiable facts.
Cheers,
KP
-Truth has no agenda.
@I Care “Considering the industrial production of hydrogen, and using current best processes for water electrolysis (PEM or alkaline electrolysis) which have an effective electrical efficiency of 70–82%,[36][37][38] producing 1 kg of hydrogen (which has a specific energy of 143 MJ/kg or about 40 kWh/kg) requires 50–55 kWh of electricity. At an electricity cost of $0.06/kWh, as set out in the Department of Energy hydrogen production targets for 2015,[39] the hydrogen cost is $3/kg.”
Why wouldn’t you just charge the car with the 50kWh? Makes little economical sense for passenger cars.
@rkan2 Your using older hydrogen technology numbers and your not recognizing power storage needs. Relying on grid power which is already running low on peak usage times, storing energy in batteries even on off peak power grid times defeats any discussion in favor of batteries over hydrogens superior energy density storage. One can much better manage energy storage through hydrogen with electrolysis using wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric and off peak and surplus grid energy. The vastly growing BEV consumers will overload the power grid plugging in their BEV after work especially in Summer months running their home A/C units. Even with home solar, one still needs power storage for electricity produced during daylight. In winter months I leave for work while it’s still dark and return home after dark. Thus without home solar battery power storage, home solar power to charge BEV is worthless. Hydrogens superior energy density and lighter weight is supper power storage compared to today’s best lithium ion batteries. Preventing the need of new coal or natural gas power plants, priceless.
Hydrogen fuel cells with ultra high capacity capacitors under development will nearly eliminate the lithium ion battery. Thus, per verifiable data, hydrogen fuel cells are the future today.
Hydrogen car is really dangerous. Toyota Mirai has hydrogen pressure 13000 psi. Now imagine if it blows up, you might not need to wear shoes anymore
What the hell!? I need this video now!
As of right now, a plug in hybrid makes the most sense for most people. That’s mainly due to lack of knowledge about EV’s by the masses. With a plug in, even if you don’t plug it in, it can still drive nearly 560 miles like on the Rav 4 Prime, no EV can beat that now.
Most people in America that is 😀 That is probably only like 1/5 of this decade’s car buyers.
@Devin Bender I respect other’s opinions, but in this case I don’t agree with them for valid reasons. I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 with my late PhD Dad, an advanced chemical and material engineer, using advanced technologies. The big oil companies and USA automotive manufacturers pay billions every year to political special interest groups to keep hydrogen fuel cells out of the masses. Tesla is the first real threat of the big 3, who are now decades behind. However, Toyota, and now Hyundai and others have production hydrogen fuel cell cars and trucks in the global market place including CA. They know until battery technology can match the superior energy density, higher performance, sustainable and lighter weight of the hydrogen fuel cell, the hydrogen fuel cell is the future, not today’s BEV.
Cheers,
KP
-Truth has no agenda.
I Care lmfao.
You realize that the big oil companies own most of the hydrogen plants right?
In companies get billions of dollars in subsidies in order to develop hydrogen technology.
I love the idea of hydrogen and how green it can be. But there’s one huge factor that is in the way that you’re never going to get over. Cost.
Money moves the world. And hydrogen cost 3 to 4 times more than gasoline. And 2-3 x more than electricity
That’s the reason why it hasn’t takeoff and why it will never takeoff. Money moves the world not agendas.
@Devin Bender I have done an independent research and costs analysis. The cost per kilowatt for new coal and natural gas power plants that will soon be required to handle peak loading of the projected BEV coming online vastly changes the total net financial impact numbers you are leaving out.
Even the wacky dysfunctional California government understands hydrogen fuels are the future as they prevent the need for additional power plants, which are coal and/or natural gas, which add to fossil fuel emissions and higher energy costs.
People only look at specific parts of the equation that best fits their biases are not valid claims.
As an new product development mechanical and cost analysis engineer sitting on and contributing to many ASTM standards, I look at big picture unbiased data for valid analysis. The dirty truths of BEV will hit the fan just like they did in the nuclear energy industry.
Cheers,
KP
-Truth has no agenda
Lol let’s see the fact here, no one buys hydrogen car.
Something is wrong with this 1:08 min video 😂🙈??
I don’t think the big oil companies will let themselves go and let the electric replace the gasoline, at least not for the moment, maybe in 100 years..
@I Care
I totally agree with you on all points, myself I am for these technologies, but I speak on a global level, I do not think that these very big companies will let go quickly, especially that everything that happens in the world right now it’s because of petroleum.
Thank you anyway for your intervention, it’s good data to know.
I Care https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2020/07/04/why-hydrogen-will-never-be-the-future-of-electric-cars/#6dd62ee912fa
@Mohamed Ali Hebboul Shell Oil in California is building new hydrogen fuel stations coming in line every month. Big oil and lobbyists for years have been putting down fuel cells with massive disinformation. I built my first hydrogen fuel cell in 1982 using electrolysis powered by my zero emission sterling engine using solar heat to power it.
I Care
Oooor you could make your own electric car and take that solar panel and drive 3x as far and save all that water for California that’s always running out….
@Devin Bender illogical.
I predict no one knows what it will be. Lets see back in the late 1800s early 1900s it was the baker elictic then the steam car then in the 50s it was jet powerd where all going to take down gas pawerd cars .and then flying cars. Then it was the deth of performce cars in 70s an 80s by the late 90s Earl 2000s deth of the suv thats a funny one😆.by the mid 2000s the deth of the mid size pickup they nailed that one 🤣 .and threw all of if the deth of gas powered car was perdicted hows that worked out so far🤔. Sorry if i missed a few. the deth of the gas powered automobile has ben at the four front for decaids. and guess what its still hear an domanaits new car sale. elictic car evs sales is less the 1% of all New car sales. Group think it alway So earnist but mostly never right.
can we get a city test…stop and go driving? i live in the same type of area but havnt driven up the mountains for years…using a hybrid away from the city kind of defeats the purpose of the hybrid, like the hybrid Ram you guys had and never used in town
LOL So this was just a commercial for a future show! Awesome!!
Did Toyota pull the Venza?
what a waste of time
Very much looking forward to your findings and thoughts.
It is almost like TFL gets paid by posting as many videos a day as possible. Content is getting a little light and fluffy guys.
Personally, I’m rooting for hydrogen. Electric but with fill ups as fast as gas.
Fool cell
Holy crap. I was wondering when a micro reactor car would show up, but just like I accepted Sekiro in place of a new Tenchu, I will accept hydrogen.
Your title should be hydrogen vs. batteries. Quite frankly, I worry a bit that we still have to say this.
Hydrogen will never succeed outside of heavy duty trucking. Bev is a fundamentally more efficient technology and therefore will always be better and cheaper to operate.