We'Ve got to talk about how it stacks up to the wrangler, how it stacks up to the land, rover and the toyota. We'Ll get into all that in this podcast and that's coming up right now sit back and relax or keep driving if you're driving tfl talking cars is on the air, the world's most popular car, podcast – okay, maybe not yet but we're working on it all right, tommy! So um we're, not in detroit nope, we got uninvited by ford because we published some things that they didn't like spy pictures uh, but now uh, the cat is definitely out of the bag. Uh. So uh let's talk about the bronco first uh and what ford has built yeah they well they've, built something pretty cool. It was kind of rumored that the bronco may have not gone down. The traditional old school four wheel, drive path. Now that we've seen it, we know that that was a total lie, because this bronco looks pretty extreme still body on frame right, removable, top removable doors, choice of engine options, there's a seven speed manual with the crawler gear. Just about every option you could imagine in an off road rig is is coming to this new model yeah, and you guys out. There might be wondering how does that compare to my wrangler or my 4runner we're going to get to that, because we've got all the specs on both the bronco wrangler and foreign, or at least as many as we can put together in really.
You know this. This heavy duty, spreadsheet uh but let's talk about the bronco uh. It started out uh back in the 60s right, yeah 66 yeah ford kind of looked at what international harvester was doing with the scout and said: let's stick a big old v8 in it uh and uh. They came out with three models. Initially right. There was a roadster which was no doors uh. There was a traditional one, the kind of the suv that we think about, and there was a half um cab, which was actually a little pick him up truck yeah a little little tiny thing yeah. I think you know i'm, a big international guy, i think, took inspiration from his being being generous. Do you think he borrowed the look of the uh uh scout yeah? I think that's fair and you see a lot of the scout. I mean they borrowed the look of the scout, the same way that i borrowed money for you from you for like the first 15 years of my life, you know what i mean when i was a baby yeah and if you, if you guys, are listening to This as part of the podcast – and you want to see what the new bronco looks like head over to tfl car we've, got a full video uh, showing everything showing it bouncing across the uh desert through the tundra and up and over uh all kinds of off. Roady stuff, because ford of course filmed that um so uh 68 and then there were five other generations.
This is the sixth generation right yeah, so from 66 through 77 they were nice and small to compete with the cjs, and then they got really big in 78. Yeah um and they they kept changing them and then in the 80s they the bronco two and then the og simpson bronco came along and kind of killed it in 2000 and what was that? 96 1996. That was last year for yeah, 96. and now it's back uh and uh, like you, said, there's gon na be uh two configurations just like a wrangler, a two door and a four door uh. But what are the engines well? There'S, two different turbo engines: 2.3 liter. Four cylinder turbo looks to be the same engine out of the ranger: okay, almost identical yeah, pretty much the same power specs too well, apparently, allegedly the same exact power, specs and i say allegedly because they said they're targeting these but 270 horsepower 310 pound feet of Torque, okay, yeah yeah, that's that's, the fourth versus v8 yeah there's, no v8 there's an optional 2.7 liter, six cylinder twin turbo, um 310 horsepower 400 pound feet of torque. So as long as you, like your engines with small displacement and turbos on them, you're going to be pleased with the new bronco power plant 400 pound feet of torque is a lot of torque out of that v6. That is a really impressive number to see. It'S not quite as much as the wrangler diesel, because there's a diesel version of the wrangler right, but it still is it's getting up there, especially with a uh, an off road vehicle like this yeah.
So it sounds like they borrowed an engine out of the ranger and they borrowed one out of the f 150 and i love that 2.7. If i were getting an f, 150 that's, probably the power plant, i would get because it's uh, powerful and not too heavy but i'm – really disappointed that there's no coyote, five liter. I thought that would have been such a cool pairing just go right to the gt500. Oh well, you had the supercharged or the f 257.3 godzilla. Why not? Why not all right how about transmissions yeah? This is where things get really interesting. 2.3 liter has two choices: 10 speed automatic, but the cooler one is a seven speed manual. It operates like a normal six speed, but there's a crawler gear or a grinding gear and that's for you know, pulling stumps. You know crawling over the biggest boulders. You could imagine that's that's the gear that's gon na go uh anywhere you wanted to at at about 0.3 mile an hour. It sounds like it needs a power takeoff, so you can like, like run a sawmill in your spare time or like a trench. Digger yeah does it have that? No no, it doesn't have power takeoff, but the manual transmission is only available on the smaller engine. So if you want the big v6 you you can't have the stick, and you know: we've had a lot of experience with the 10 speed automatic and it's a good it's, a good transmission, yeah, yeah it's, really good it's, smooth yeah and it it's a good pairing In like the ranger yeah so gives good uh, uh fuel economy numbers by the way we don't know those on the uh bronco, yet so don't.
If you're expecting fuel economy numbers, you might as well just uh uh skip to the end, because we're not going to give you any because four didn't release any yeah, so construction, wise body on frame yeah – and i actually have the quote here on my phone. Okay from ford it is, are you ready, yeah uh, based on a revised version of quote the global mid sized truck architecture yeah? So basically, a ranger, basically it's it's a similar platform to the ranger, not a bad thing body on frame. But it does mean that solid axle and back independent suspension in the front yeah that's the biggest difference really between um it and a lot of other vehicles out there, specifically the wrangler, but before we get to that comparison, let's keep going down uh kind of what Else is new, with the uh bronco it's got a two speed transfer case, of course, and an optional 4a setting. What does that 4a mean a couple? Different four wheel drive options, so the high end models come with a setting where it'll tr it'll go in between two high and four high, depending on the situation so that's great for, like cold weather environments, jeep has a similar system on the select track uh. But you stick it in auto and just let it do its work. Uh. The low range is across the board. It looks like, but there's a couple of different gear ratios: dana 44 rear axle, um independent front suspension, five link coil spring rear suspension on the rear.
Very very, very good stuff yeah and for all of you who are not like in the suspension, uh there's, a big raging debate out there in the off road community as to what's, better and it's, been exemplified by toyota versus wrangler right, because wrangler has always had Solid axles, until it has had independent uh suspension in the front uh and now we've got bronco entering the fray uh with their independent front, suspension, uh and so we'll see. You know that's one of those things that unless you're uh out there on the trail, where you've got two obstacles that are very similar it's a hard argument to have uh just sitting here talking. Well, the really really old foreigners had solid axles, yeah that's true, you know what i mean so it's older technology it's very old technology, but it works it's, very, very effective technology, what's available spicer electronic differential locks front in here what's a spicer, well that's, a company Um that's building the e locks, apparently for the the bronco yeah. This is super cool, friendly, rear, locking diffs one of only a few vehicles. You'Ve got power wagon wrangler g wagon, zr2 right, the chevrolet z02 that's pretty much all you can get from the factory with the front of your locker, of course great for off road. So you can lock all four wheels at the same speed great for going over. Really difficult terrain and something that's interesting on the bronco is an option for a hate, uh yeah.
Let me see if i can talk hydra stabilizer stabilizer bar yeah hydraulic is apparently too big of a word for my small iq. Wait to get the uh saskatchewan uh sasquatch package we'll talk about that in a second now this hydraulic stabilizer, this hydraulic stabilizer bar unlocks the front end at low speed. Yes, so you get improved, articulation it's, not it's, not the first ever vehicle to use like a sway bar disconnect on yeah suspension, basically it's trying to keep the wheels on the ground right because once the wheel's in the air, well, our cayenne did the same thing. Did you know that yeah i knew that yeah. I had the hydraulic system yeah once once you once you're, you know grabbing air you're not going very far. Um trail turn assist function, yeah like a toyota land cruiser yeah it's got uh, allegedly torque vectoring, but i think it's brake based, which will drag it inside wheel to allow you to make tighter turns off road that's a good idea, but is it a tank turn Like the rivien, no, not quite a tank turn trail control off road. Cruise control, yeah, basically push a button set the speed, let the vehicle do the rest. Seven different drive modes bunch, a bunch of different drivers, let's guess at them. We guess adam well, they're they're. Listening they're listed, what are they uh, Music yeah, maybe mud. I think there's, a mud setting too okay it's all through this little selector in the middle it's, a little rotary down yeah and then available.
Winch ready steel bumpers, just like the wrangler and uh skid plates throughout the bottom. You know the thing about winch, ready, uh bumpers is that they never have the winch plate. You think like hey, i've got a winch ready. Bumper i'll just go get the 1200 uh dollar winch without the winch plate, which is another like 800. It doesn't work. Well, the cool thing is that bronco, i shouldn't say: bronco ford is um, adding the winch plate. No, i don't know if they're writing the winch plate that's a great question. They are working on up to 200 accessories for this vehicle already. So you know they're going down that mopar route where they want to keep you in house for when it's time to uh upgrade upgrade yep well, that's smart. Why give it to all the off road aftermarket people? And you can do it yourself, but that doesn't mean the off road aftermarket people won't. Do it, because you know how those guys are so full. They work fast and furiously full skid plates yeah available rock rails, which are supposed to take the full weight of the the truck yeah and then long travel, bilstein, suspension, dampers and by the way, um. I think uh that there are now what four different suspension options you can get in four different products. So we should talk about that right because um ford went with bilstein wrangler and the gladiator went with fox yep um toyota went with fox yep and then of course, chevy went with multi multimatic yep multimatic yeah the dss visa, and you know we should probably do A comparison of all four of those different types of shocks because i'd be really curious, because you know it's getting to the point now where at once, upon a time, if you wanted like an upgraded radio, you would get the premium radio right and then they all Became branded so and then you have like the bose.
You know the mark levinson right, the name, brands and uh without an actual head to head test, it's really hard to say. If a fox is better than a bilstein or a multimatic, it would be really cool to actually like, and what i mean by that is like take it down. Um, like a not not not just a rocky course uh, but a washboard road right where the thing really starts to heat up and drive it hard and see which of them explodes and which of them doesn't yeah. That would be a really cool video yeah. Maybe we'll look into doing that. Yeah. So let's talk about the uh different models. There are a lot of models: tommy yeah there's, a the base models called base, there's big bend, black diamond outer banks and then the off road. You wonder wild track and bad lens, but the one that's really cool is it's, not actually yeah it's, not its own trim. There'S a package called the sasquatch package and this is available across the lineup, and this includes 35 inch tires 17 inch, p, lock, rims, high clearance suspension with the bilsteins locking differentials and the advanced four wheel drive system. So what you could do is is get the entry level no frills, bronco yeah and then click the little box for this kind of sasquatch package and get all the off road gear. So this is this. Is such a such a great idea that you can? You know by simply just clicking an option code.
You can have any trim, you want with all the goodies that'll make it go anywhere and you'll never see one of those in a dealer. Ever i think you will. You know we just went through this with the with the uh defender right, so we wanted to get the least expensive most off road worthy defender which, because it with the fender now we can actually talk about that too, how it stacks up, but it's it's a Much more expensive vehicle in a lot of ways, but we wanted to get the steel wheels. We want to get that like uh, you know non leather interior. We want to get that third uh optional bench seat row right, that's, not the third row, the third seat, that comes in the front, so it's like a bench seat and we had a special order. It right because you can't buy it all of the defenders. Right now at the dealerships are the are the launch editions, uh they're in there on the low end, they're, like 64 000. we've, been looking around a lot of the dealers are marking them up five, ten thousand so now we're looking at seventy, even eighty thousand dollar Vehicles and i think that's what's gon na happen with the bronco you're, not gon na see a base bronco with a uh sasquatch package uh for thirty five thousand dollars and speaking about pricing. What is pricing? It starts at twenty nine, nine, nine fives about thirty grand for the two door, yeah that's.
Of course, no options that's pretty much all we know plus 14.95 for destination and delivery. I don't know if that's included no it's, not it's it's it's. I think it it's. On top of that, oh and okay, so you're, looking at 31, 000 yeah and then um, the the four door is going to be more expensive on top of that 35 000 yeah, which is pretty pretty comparable to the wrangler. So the wrangler starts at about 28.. The uh, the four door, is a little bit less expensive. It looks like than what the bronco four door is going to be, and deliveries are going to be in spring 2021, so you can reserve them starting today yeah. But if you really want to drive your your new bronco off the lot, it's not going to be for uh another few months yeah. If you want to drive your bronco after a few months, you're going to have to get the badlands with. I think it comes with a sasquatch package. That'S going to be like a 55 60 000 bronco let's be real yeah. It happened with uh wranglers right when they first came out. Remember there was a launch edition, uh gladiator that suffered the same fate. Uh it's, just it's, become part of the automotive game. Now uh wait there's. Actually, hang on i've got my notes here: there's a first edition, yeah, so that's, probably gon na, be the one that you're gon na end up with yeah off the bat.
You know what i mean: yeah that's, going to be expensive, yeah and it will be – and you know, i'm getting a little tired of these very expensive. I know you know it's what the market will bear, but back in the day when i was your age, i went and bought a suzuki samurai from a dealership. I was living in chicago and i had to fly down to georgia atlanta to actually buy it. You know why i bought it. Why? Because i was in graduate school, i had no money in the car guess how much the uh little samurai cost like seven thousand dollars exactly seven thousand dollars yeah. Where is that vehicle? Why is this the bronco sport, maybe yeah? I mean that's going to be the more affordable, but but the problem with the broncos sport is it doesn't have a two speed transfer case right, whereas the samurai did so the bronco sport which, by the way, we also have a video on over at tfl. Now uh andre did a hell of a good job talking about that is basically a competitor to the rav4 adventure or the cherokee, or maybe the uh compass, yeah yeah it's it's a kind of a different league. If you want an old school off roader for cheap, you got to go to the youth market now there's, just nothing that's that's. That to me is the opportunity right. Uh for yeah. I agree in europe.
You'Ve got the chimney yep i mean, i think, the the the difficulty yeah the duster, the difficult thing that these manufacturers have to deal with is they've got such greed well, greed for sure, but they also have stringent crash requirements so like a chimney for they're killing, It in the in in europe too now have you read that it's it's going away in europe now as well? I think it's due to emissions, but we have such stringent emissions and and crash requirements that i think it would be tricky to sell a bare bones. Samurai with no airbags and a carbureted engine, i agree, but all i want. I want a base, uh bronco with the sasquatch package that's all i want – and i bet you if you try to get there without ordering it there's, no way you ever find. One of those at a dealership and that that's what i want who who needs all of those that it's the same thing with the wrangler you're, never going to find a base wrangler to deal with it they're very hard to find. We spend a lot of time. Looking for one, i agree, there needs to be more photo blocks the wrangler. If you get the bass, wrangler you're, getting this like goofy looking, you know it looks way too low steel, wheels, tiny, tiny tires right, a soft top uh and so you're getting a really stripped down vehicle. With this bronco, the potential is you're getting a stripped down vehicle with all the off road gear.
Imagine like getting a sport with the rubicon stuff that would be cool. I don't need all the other stuff that comes with it. I don't need the leather interior. I don't need the upgraded stereo system. I don't need the wig hold up that you still can. You can still get a very basic rubicon, not for under twenty five thousand. You can't that's the number on that well yeah, but you can't get a bronze what's. What does rubicon start at 40? Something you can't, you can't get a bronco bad lens or you can't get a bronco based sasquatch for under 25. Can you yeah, but i don't know we don't know what the sas much package is, but the base if it starts at 30 right yeah and then you put the sasquatch package on top. But how much can that be it's not going to be 15 it's, not going to be 45 000 it's going to be, i think, five or six grand okay, so you're at 35 that's still pretty good. I think that is still something i would be willing to willing to pay for. I don't, like i say i don't, want the power sliding roof. I don't want. You know all the bells and whistles in my off roader. I just want all the off road gear without any of the luxury gear and that's what we tried to do with the defender when we tried to order it and that one came out even with even order that way, right with just ticking the boxes.
For the off road stuff, that one came out at 64. i'm looking up the uh, the wrangler here, how much uh a two door while you do that let's talk about how the wrangler compares uh to the bronco and to the foreign. I was wrong: 38 grand for a wrangler two door rubicon. Can you find that yeah you can order one you're not going to find a base sasquash in the lot like you said that anyway, we'll leave that for the market to sort out – or maybe you guys, maybe somebody out there will be ordering one of those so Let'S talk about the bronco versus rubicon versus foreigner. Now we picked these three vehicles to compare and we got if you're. Looking at this on video you'll see, we've got all the numbers to tell you just how off road worthy they will be and we'll go into. Those in a second – but you may be wondering why those three well, because the bronco and, of course the rubicon wrangler, the wild track and the rubicon. You know they just head to head match up and, of course the forerunner is in the price category and it's. One of the perennial best sellers, so sure i mean we could have thrown in the g wagon – starts at a hundred twenty five thousand dollars. Right, probably wouldn't be we could have thrown a defender. The one we bought was the cheapest. It was like sixty thousand so price wise.
These do compete um uh, and i think the other thing we need to talk about is that to take some of the spotlight away from uh ford's big unveiling uh jeep just announced a new concept vehicle. You wan na tell about that. Yeah it's a uh wrangler, rubicon '2 concept, so they took a wrangler. They gave it a little bit of a lift they put in this big old 6.4 liter hemi and they sent it on its way. It'S worth noting. This is a concept um. I i don't know dad they built one in the past. Well, one of the commenters on our video said that they've got 50 of them running around already yeah. I saw that allegedly they've got 50 at the the facility that no, i think i think, they'll build it just because uh they have to answer broncos somehow they have to create excitement and buzz, and what what a better way to do that than to give people. What i hope you're right fans have been asking for for 20 years, which is a v8 right. The last v8 was in the cj yeah, i hope you're right. I really do wish that this. This actually becomes a thing and quickly, because uh six yeah 450 horsepower wrangler. That would that would uh match up nicely to that twin turbo, bronco, yeah, it's, 450, 450 right 450, horsepower 450 pound foot of torque, yeah and it's a proper. You know proper, naturally, aspirated vehicle and and the other thing i think, the reason they're going to build it.
Is they skipped the 5'7 right? They could have put the 5 7 hemi they didn't. They went right for the big boy. Uh – and you know, fca is on a roll right now to hellcat everything, and this is just part of that. I think uh. So let's talk about uh, a bronco stands up, compares to a rubicon wrangler and a 400 trd pro. The two bronco engine options are the four cylinder turbo and the six cylinder turbocharged engine as well so 2.3 and 2.7. The wrangler has a bunch of engine options: there's a 2 liter turbo there's, a 3.6 liter v6, naturally aspirated there's, a 3 liter diesel v6 diesel and then the 400 lincoln one engine it's, a very good engine. Super super, reliable, but it's, also a little old. The 4 liter v6 yeah, so you know we included the 4runner because let's face it. It doesn't quite match up a 400 can't be had with two doors: the doors can't be taken off without a sawzall and, of course, the roof. Doesn'T come off without a sawzall yeah, whereas the bronco and the wrangler do all that yeah, the wrangler and the bronco both have doors which can be easily removed. However, the bronco has doors that are pillarless, so they're supposed to be lighter and they're also get this built in such a way where the the mirrors are mounted on the body of the vehicle. So if you pull the doors in the bronco, you got the mirrors that hang around yeah, whereas in the wrangler you got to get aftermarket mirrors so you're illegal little known fact, you can't drive a vehicle with at least on the road without those ruby mirrors.
I guess you could take it on a trail, but on the road where a lot of door, less uncles and wranglers will end up. You need those ruby mirrors, so horsepower wise. The bronco sits at 270 310 horsepower um. The wrangler is about 260 to 285, so it's it's, it's kind of right in that game. Although the the v6 twin turbo, uh bronco, looks like it's gon na kind of beat it in that category and then the foreigner trucks along with 270. torque wise. This is the important one for off road uh broncos between 310 and 400 pound feet, wrangler's between 260 for the v6, all the way up to 442, which has got to be the diesel yep that's, the three liter eco diesel and then the foreigners uh 278. uh. How about transmissions um, seven speed manual, the bronco 10 speed, auto available wrangler 6 speed, auto oh nope that's, not your regular six speed manual or eight speed, auto and then the foreigner five. How many cars can you even get with five speed? Automatics anymore? Not too many others, but that's, okay, i'm, really racking my brain to come up with one uh, so yeah toyota uh, certainly has a vehicle that sells a lot and look these numbers don't uh speak well for it because they're, certainly you know no choice, lower numbers, But uh the 400 is one of these vehicles. In my mind, that's just right. You know it does everything well, it'll, take you and your family to disney and it'll.
Take you and uh your best friend up hell's revenge and moab uh and uh that's, a pretty cool combination, the uh the tires are an interesting story, so the bronco can be had with up to 35 inch tires from the factory big deal yeah the wrangler rubicon Is about thirty three point: four thirty three point something uh but can be uh upgraded to thirty fives yeah, without lifting it yeah but that's after the fact, yeah uh, the the foreigners got 30, 32s or 33s in that category as well, so the broncos definitely killing It on tire options, tons of different manufacturers, tons of different sizes and then lockers, frontier locking differentials in the bronco are available same thing with the wrangler. The forerunner only has a rear locker on the td pros, but it does have a track and crawl control, which is it's pretty good at mimicking. Locking diffs yeah we've got a whole bunch of numbers here coming up about the length, but i don't want to go into the wheelbase. Basically, the bronco is a little bit bigger overall than the wrangler yeah, especially, and the foreigner is longer than both of them. Yeah. The foreigners is a proper suv, but the more important one is ground clearance. How about ground clearance 11.6 on the broncos with 35s yep? But if you get the regular one it's like eight yeah, it's it's less the uh wrangler is 10.8 okay with rubicon. But once again, if you get the regular one that goes down a lot yeah and then the foreigner is 9.
6 with trd pro. So a little bit less than the foreigner approach angle, they're about 43.2 on the bronco 44 on the wranglers and then 33 in the foreigner break over 29 degrees, two door, bronco 27.8, two doors, wrangler and then the uh. Of course. The four doors are less than that: 400 is about 20 degrees, um yeah water forwarding is typically 33.5 on the bronco and now published on the wrangler or 4runner, and then, of course, the number that means the most to us, which is a tflori actually before we Get to that let's talk about the rti. We have rti numbers uh. Those are the ramp um index numbers where you basically take a vehicle and drive it up a ram and see how high you can get before one of the wheels lifts off the ground and the higher you can go, the better. It is off road. So what are the numbers on the bronco yeah, the bronco highest number, the better yeah 620 for the four door? Yeah uh, the wrangler is 693 according to four wheeler yeah who tested it and then they also tested the foreigner at 501.. So the bronco wins that one as well yep and uh tflori, which is our off road index. We compile all these numbers into one score out of a hundred um based on these numbers. Our forerunner score is 81.4, the wrangler rubicon 86.6 and the bronco 94. So it's really looking good in terms of offering capability on paper, yeah, uh and then of course, towing capability, uh, broncos, 35, wranglers, 35 and foreigner is the champion there at 5 000.
. So on paper dude, it looks like uh. The bronco has not just brought it, but uh brought it in such a way that it out shines both of its competitors yeah. It really looks like it smashed it in terms of capability, uh interior looks nice as well. It'S got those grab handles, which is cool. It'S got the big centrally mounted screen a bunch of different uh options for seat materials. Yeah um top options are pretty wide too there's soft tops there's hard tops with removable panels and there's these cool things like a little rack system for gopros and yeah. It looks like yeah there's gon na be a lot of accessories available and the most important thing of all are those two little hooks for a canoe, because i guess bronco owners are canoeists. Is that thing that's that's? What what is somebody who does a canoe what's? That called i don't know i'm gon na go with canoe er. The idea of the tie down points on the hood hood is that you can run long items on the roof and then have a way to strap them down: yeah yeah, it's cool it's, a really good idea. I also like the um, just just the overall design is – is really aggressive. It'S very tonka toy, like a lot of retro throwbacks to the original bronco from 1966 yeah, so i'll be curious to see if, in fact, they do come out with a pickup version to challenge the gladiator it's been rumored that we'll see one in 2024, whether or Not that actually exists is another question: yeah um, you know uh with jeep, now hinting strong that there's going to be a v8 powered wrangler.
Do you think that the ford will answer at some point with its own v8 powered wrangler, i mean they've got the 7.3 liter. They could stick into it. They'Ve got the gt500 engine, they could stick into it. Uh that's competing with the hellcat wrangler. I mean i'm. Just i'm just living my dream right now so or am i being you know, is cafe numbers not gon na allow any of this. I honestly have no idea. I think we should focus on the the numbers that we do have and versus speculating, because i just think it's it's too far out to know what what ford's going to respond with yeah and what else is far out is, is the bronco. I mean april dude, good god uh. This has been the slowest launch of any vehicle that i have seen in the last 10 years, but it was worth the wait. It'S really cool, well let's let's, say judgment until we can't get behind the wheel. At this point, you know with ford not allowing us to go to the uh i'm, telling you that it's going to be awesome, it's going to be a really cool vehicle. I love that you can pull the doors off too put them in the rear corridor. I think they went all out on this it's it's uh it's. Something really special, so i'm excited to see that that that jeep's going to have to respond now and that we're going to see a lot more competition in the marketplace.
So how many like jeep owners, do you see trading in their uh wranglers for broncos? How many forerunner owners? Do you see a lot of that? I don't think you're going to see that many foreign owners yeah, because someone who buys a foreigner buys it because it's super dependable, okay, roomy. But i think you're going to see a ton of jeep owners trading them in because a lot of guys just buy the jeep wrangler rubicons, because they're the coolest looking ones they've got the nicest sound system and they they've got big big big wheels as they say. Well, this is bigger, wheels yeah exactly and a lot of these guys who are spending 65 000 on a wrangler. Rubicon are probably going to see the rock would be like that's, the new cool thing, all right, so let's talk about the thing that they didn't talk, about, which i said skip to the end. So here we are at the end now uh, which is fuel economy. Now we have a gladiator right yep with the pentastar, which is the v6, and what was our fuel economy before we upgraded to what what size we have on there now 35s yeah so like so we were. We were like in the low 20s. It was like 20 21., and now what are we at um it's, like 16 yeah, and so you start pushing 35s around even with those turbos you're going to be you're going to be no one is buying a bronco for fuel efficiency debt.
I really don't think it it hasn't stopped. Wrangler owners from upgrading tires it's not going to stop people from buying a bronco. I really don't, you know uh gosh dude, eight months from now we could have never seen what's going on in the world right now. I have a hard time, knowing what's going to happen nine months from now in april, fuel prices could go through the roof. Wrangler does have a plug in come in. We know that right, yep, that's cool, so that's, going to be interesting and and let's be real. Uh there's just a lot of new and electric trucks coming too, that will also compete for for the same dollars in some ways rivian's going to be out. At that point, the workhorse should be out right and i think there's a strong crossover between truck owners and wrangler owners. So you know that's what i mean too little too late. If it were out right now, they'd be selling like hotcakes uh by april i don't know i don't think it's too little, though it might be too late, but it's not and then the 800 pound you know gorilla is a cyber truck yeah, but dad no one's Going to be, i don't think a lot of people are going to be cross shopping, a two door bronco with a cyber truck. I think they will really don't. I have a hard time saying: okay, so jeep says that the '2 will do zero to 60 in under five seconds.
Yeah. Cyber truck will probably do it in the threes. Yes, but it we uh yeah right as you're saying more people are buying this because of what's cool, which is what i'm hearing you say right, you're saying a lot of people are buying this because of what's cool, not because of what's off road capable. Then i got ta tell you uh at least according to what i've seen out there uh you know. The cool factor right now is owned by the cyber truck dad. You said it yourself: you want to talk about a vehicle that we don't know what date is going to be out in cyber truck is the pinnacle of that at least bronco's got a a time when we'll see it in person yeah, but the rivien will be Out we know that that's beginning, but that's sixty thousand dollar range does a tank turn. It doesn't it doesn't matter that doesn't take turn that's, not useful, for i think most people overall you're on you're on the trail and you just go just do a stream. You never have wanted to do that. Really it tears up the environment like crazy, it's, really bad for the vegetation yeah. No! No! What? If you're in the sand? Okay: okay, yes you're in the sand, i tried taking you to the uh. The sand dunes and you didn't want to go was what what happened with that? You did not want to go to the sand dunes, so i don't want to hear you about sand.
When we went to moab i was like we should go to the sand dunes. You'Re like i don't, want to go to the sand dunes let's go to moab. We missed the sand dune opportunity. No, i wait wait. Whoa, i don't think i i've never said i don't want to go to the sand dunes. I think i said we should probably go. Do this because it's closer – and we know where it's at versus going to the sand dunes, which we did i don't know where it's at i've been there. I know where the sanders are at, but i do wish they had an electrified version of the bronco. I think that that is coming. Hopefully i imagine it's a hybrid version of the f 150 uh, but whether it's going to actually make its way into the bronco we don't know. I imagine that they had a plan for that right, because this is going to be an architecture that's around for a long time. So, look i i agree with you. The bronco at least what we're seeing on paper is pretty badass ford took it seriously. They they took on both 4runner and wrangler head on, but the proof is always in the pudding. You know numbers are one thing and actually getting out on the trail and seeing what it does is a whole other thing and let's keep let's not forget that there's, a huge built in community for for jeep, because you know jeep, has had the aftermarket support now For well since the second world war, basically right yeah, i agree that the jeep community is awesome and there's a lot of uh there's a lot of love for that community.
I like that community, a lot yeah, but i have been watching my g page and people are really excited on the page for the bronco. They are really a lot of buzz going on yeah, i think that's, what the broncos going forward. It'S new right people, love what's, new um, and the question will be you know, after that, the shine comes off the apple after it's, no longer new, uh and the prices become very steep, which i think they will become very steep but they're steep on the jeep. That they're, absurdly asleep on the jeep yeah. Well, then maybe you'll be competing with used jeeps i don't know yeah, i mean i'm. I hope that they undercut them up to some extent, because the wranglers are just so certainly expensive. You saw which, when i get i'd, go with the base with the uh uh sasquatch package, which ones that's what you have to go for: that's the cool one, seven speed manual yep for sure, okay, all right. So at least we agreed on that yep. Absolutely well guys, if you want to see images of this and you're listening to this on our podcast head on over to tflcar.com or to our youtube channel. We'Ve got full coverage of everything that we talked about today, either on our youtube channel, tfl car tfl. Now, tfloffroad um or on our website it's anything else, i'm missing.