This week, we're looking at the fiery phoenix rising from the ashes of holden's funeral pyre gmsv, which products should they bring here so we're, going to have that discussion, which will be fun. Look at some fresh metal in the car's guide, garage and we'll catch up with the tech billionaire who wants to plug into your brain in this week's. Musk watch so stay with us, but we've had some feedback and i think it's worth covering because all of it's great now last week we were dealing with a story that uh byron, matthew, darkus wrote about the cars that might have been for holden, particularly around the Time of the development of the ve in the naughties and all the other variants on that platform that were looking to be exported and and uh used kind of around the gm world, and we had a lot of feedback on that. It really plucked some heartstrings jim danek sees the gfc as the first nail in the holden coffin. You know the gm's bankruptcy meant that there were closure of gm brands that were the main, probably going to be the main recipients, um of these cars, pontiac being a big one, of course, um with the g8 uh. He did think that the g8 seemed to fit the us market better than the later chevy ss and bertie said you know. An export market made no difference. Uh to brand survival and jim dennis came back and said.
You know the brand survived the closure of manufacturing for a few years. It was the product that came next, which was the downfall, and to that i would add, it was also the brand's usp vanishing. You know when they had no local manufacturing. It was no longer really australia's own hold, and you know all that went out the window and the soul of the brand just kind of dropped out of it made the cars have to sell on the quality of the cars alone and, frankly, the quality just wasn't. There i, as i've, said before i towards the end, i couldn't think of a single category in which they were best in class yeah. Yes, that's a great point and other commenters were on about quality as well that's, a very strong point um. So we also had bertie, came back and called it gm's, proud prediction: uh, proud tradition of brand genocide and he said the craptiva his word not mine was symbol. The rubbish that holden sold in its wobbly at these later years. Um, you know. On the one hand, you had the billion dollar baby, which of course was the ve and such an enormous investment. And then you had all of these other models sold around it and he calls it a tale of two holdens in this century that that you had the core of it being the locally produced product and everything else around it being uh different. Shall we say so.
I think that's an interesting point of view and 88 mtb 88 on the same theme. Holden never got their other models right and that's right and that's true, and they may have been constrained on budget on what was available all kinds of things that gfc blew a big hole in all kinds of strategic plans for car brands um around the globe. You know absolutely jc on that for a moment. I feel like we're about to go through that again in australia just quietly. I feel like on the on the other end of this pandemic, our 50 or 60 car brands. They all can't survive, but surely in this country, if you look at the sales god, some of the brands are selling in miniscule numbers you wonder how it's possibly worth their while, but anyway we'll see. Yes, it depends on how deep a certain pockets are um and how genuinely long term um some brand's vision is yeah, yeah, yeah, you're, absolutely right now, uh the aptly named hsv commodore um said you know man. This makes me so sad. He just uh the whole chat made. Him feel sad. All these amazing cars that could have been um gm ruined, so many car companies should have sold holden, pontiac and saab well. In the end, they did actually sell saab um to spica, which was another disaster altogether. In terms of the sad end of that proud swedish brand um and hold, he says the really salient point i thought was when he said: holden had the potential to become a global brand um that yeah there were some little forays into export in the middle east And, of course, new zealand and other countries in the pacific and and the southern hemisphere, but you think about the design and engineering um enthusiasm, um experience and quality that holden had, i think, he's right, um holden could have gone anywhere with the right investment yeah yeah.
I tend to agree with that. There'S always been that argument that our production costs are too high to be a true export brand. But then you look at company countries like korea, countries like germany, their costs are uh are vaguely the same about. In fact, in some cases a little bit higher and they might work so there's, no there's, no discernable reason why we possibly could not yeah yeah great point now, um john gibson, obviously heir to the guitar fortune. I think we've called him out. Uh called him out before um says as good as the v e and v f was uh. They were the wrong cars for the time, and this is very much the conventional wisdom isn't it. You know. After about 2005, they should have been getting the idea of an suv and twin cab utes rather than um, and and build them in house with holden's unique flavor, and i think byron's story pointed to that that's exactly what they wanted to do. Um it's. Just that events conspired to to nip all that in the butt and it didn't happen. So there was the will was there, but there just wasn't a way um. Given the finances of the time, it's also very easy to look back in retrospect and say they should have done this or they should have done that. You know yes, i'm sure at the time if they did come out with a commodore suv or something of the like there would have been huge backlash over it.
I agree i agree. Um that's, true um, also yeah go for it just just to make one quick point on that idea of what they, what they should have done or could have done. I i maintained the biggest mistake they made in shuttering. The brand in australia was was keeping the commodore name played alive right uh, even though that, even though that car was actually a really good car that the commodore they imported, it wasn't a commodore as we've come to know and love it, and while ford immediately moved Off the falcon and became the ranger company, holden remained that company that was trying to sell this thing, that sort of was sort of wasn't a commodore and it just completely owned the message around that brand for the years that followed one tiny change, i would have Made would have been that one i would have said you know so interesting as well. See you later, i think, it's to your point tongue that um, you know it's glorious, hindsight isn't it that i i hear exactly what you're saying chestnut, but i remember at the time thinking uh that could go either way. I was kind of on the fence not not sure whether it was good or a bad one, but as it transpired. Yes, it definitely wasn't a great decision, but i think they'll study it in university. If they're not already, they should track track the forward and hold them from factory closure, the things they did differently and look at where the two brands are now.
You know the the third player, of course at that point was toyota, and the irony was that not many people even knew that toyota yeah yeah and they were doing they were doing their absolute best to to turn out the best camrys that they'd ever produced and Really send it out on a high note: ford had their planted idle, you know they might. A couple of cars seem to dribble out of the factory um every few days holden was somewhere in between, but i think retiring. The falcon nameplate was a more dignified end for that um story, career than yes keeping commodore going. Yeah now also hammer rock says uh shh guys because um m4 and byron last week were mentioning that you know some of the cars that were potentially uh going to happen was a ve crewman or a ve adventurer. You know to to, and so hammers cech he's been eyeing the whole noventra cx 8 and crewman cross eight and the hsv avalanche uh, he's not ready to buy yet so just shh and um de cool came in and said he's actually drooling for a w 1 Maloo um, which which would be big big bucks but he's waiting for his mid life crisis anyway, um until that kicks in so there's a while to go. You never know where the prices will go then look in in more general terms. Uh we had sam josh saying, gentlemen: this is a fantastic video, keep up the terrific work.
So what can we say? Except? Thank you. Thank you, sam and uh welcome aboard, but we weren't doing so well because summer, winter's great name said seven minutes 40 seconds before youtube: blokes. Let byron talk so that was um yeah that was matt campbell and i so sorry about that and feedback received uh right between the eyes, so we'll think about being a little more generous in uh, freeing up time um jim danek. We were also touching on what what did you get your license in? You know we're talking about older holdens and what have you and i'll ask you two guys in a sec but jim danek said: i've got my licence on a tc, holden gemini and my question is: was it a sandpiper because of course the sandpiper was a limited Edition we'll have a picture of that for people on youtube. What a fantastic car – and he also said – has byron, lost his glasses or is it stockholm syndrome, given his three weeks in lockdown with the senon karanda, because he said he was starting to like the way it looked and he was loving. The car and deku said yeah. I agree. I thought we were thinking of two different cars here, so the problem is uh. I think byron licked his glasses outside the 5k radius, so he hasn't had them for the last three or four weeks, that's right, that's, right right, so jim danick, he got his license on a gemini tung.
What was your uh vehicle of choice for trying to uh? You know get the inspector to give you the green light. It was the family uh, the family sedan at the time, so it was a 1997 uh toyota, camry manual, five speed, uh, four cylinder uh, just a real sort of dependable, a to b sort of car. Really easy to learn. Really easy. Did you score? Did you score points with the inspector for the manual gearbox? No, no, not at all. Oh! No! Really. I would have thought that would get you some cred nah, no crit at all. I mean, i think, if it was uh, if it was a cooler sort of car, then maybe uh he would have noticed but uh, you know not not the old reliable camera. Just though what was your, what was your conveyance less exciting? I uh i was so desperate to get my license that i got it on my 17th birthday. Unfortunately, i bought in january we're on summer holidays in queensland, so i made my parents drive me back across the border to the closest new south wales rta, as they were called them, which was in tweed heads on the new south wales side, and i did it In whatever car they had available, so i had to rent a car from them and you can just go and do it in a manual test with an instructor. Next to you, because waiting for me at home was my stonking datsun, 260z 1976.
wow, brilliant desperate to get behind the wheel of it. So there was nothing. Nothing was going to stop me. I was going back with the license so, but i can't even remember what car it was to be honest, whatever they had available on the day, but your first licensed kilometers were probably covered in a 260z. That is a great way to kick it off. It was, it was a bright red number plate red 26z and i was the coolest man alive up until the point that i wrote it off, but it was a great idea. Don'T tell me you bought that license plate. No, i don't, okay with it. Okay! Thank goodness, i would be lying if i didn't say it: it hadn't sweetened the pot a little bit good now, paul victor says an m8 bmw is his hero, car, the best, bmw best, looking bmw ever as a bmw fan. Unfortunately, at that price range and the lack of proper rear seat occupant, space i'll opt for a 911 hands down so he's in a pretty happy situation here, if he's um turning down the the m18 he's going to go out and get a 911 in the fullness Of time now, david burt bertie came back in and asked where's that water crossing located. Now we were talking about the d max and there was a picture during that that came up. I can tell you bertie, that is the clyde river on the new south wales south coast, near the appropriately named shallow crossing camping ground.
So if you're wanting to go there and replicate our shots because they were very nice, it is a. It is actually forwarding that that little stream uh it was that's where it is now. He also said that byron was talking about his vh commodore last week and had 2850 six cylinder engine four speed manual, very nice car, and he says the vh 2850 features the air injection, ejection, ejection jackson and he references the tv, commercial and people on youtube. It'Ll be up in the background and that's actually what they say. It is the corniest 1980s advertising. You can imagine – and he said those four speeds – weren't a knife through butter affair, but were more a sponge in porridge, a terrible shift and he's absolutely right, uh as i've experienced that and i found it more brutal. I thought it was more. You just got ta kind of gorilla it through into into each ratio but um anyway. Oh i had a sponge. I spun through this i sponged through what a sponge through no, he said, it's more a spoon in porridge, i'll spoon orange. I, like that yeah stirring it you're stirring the porridge yeah yeah now tgv said we. We wondered why tgv the very fast train had mentioned the mighty iu falcon he'd, just randomly come at us with this. The au falcon is the greatest he said it's because a couple of weeks ago he purchased a very low kilometer.
80. 000 odd clicks, 2001 au, futura series, 2 egas sedan, so lucky man, he loves the lowdown, torque and rear wheel, drive, he's, had front wheel, drive and all wheel drive cars uh forever and he loves the real feel of hydraulic steering and he asked the question why? Oh, why have car makers gone to awful electric, dumb and numb steering to which wax triple three comes and says, cost weight, space saving and probably more yeah, which was a pretty good comeback if you've driven a recent 911 uh, you'll you'll actually discover how good electrically Assisted steering can be so. There is electric steering and electric steering um in in my book and to finish that off gulen dust gear has given us another 18 thumbs up, so the tally yeah i like to call it the d tut, the dust gear thumbs up, tally. Um is now at lucky for some, the number 69., so we have had 69 thumbs up from uh from ghalam. Thank you very much, but we're now going to move on to our main topic of conversation, which is a really exciting and interesting. One we've had confirmation and chester. You wrote the story for us that this general motors sv gm sv is is a real thing and it's happening, and you wrote the piece about well, here are the the cars that really should be on the menu for australia and it's great fodder. For a conversation about what should come here, tell us where you went with it: well, annoyingly i'm gon na do uh my famous thing and take us down a little side alley first, so just just while we're speaking about briefly about cars that could have saved holden.
I wrote a story last week about about the colorado that could have potentially saved holden. So for me, the biggest issue with the colorado was it the ford ranger raptor had it lit. That was the cool car that everybody wanted, of course, and the toyota highlights was the perennial favorite colorado just finished somewhere at the back of the pack. No one ever thought about it. Now, just after holding closed walkenshaw, i.e, hsv or the former hsv have released a pack called the w550 pack. It applies to all colorado's built between 2018 and 2020.. It ups the suspension, some other off road, crap, etc, but critically it also ups, the grunt from the engine. So you now get 550 newton meters of torque or 50 newton meters more than you would get in a range of raptor and, as i said, it back applies to all colorado's from 2018 onwards. All i could think when i was writing. That story was why, oh, why i didn't hold and launch this when it was running selling colorado's, it would have had the dominant most powerful four cylinder diesel dual cabin australia. Why? Why is this coming now driving insane anyway, it's an interesting car that the interesting fact of w550 – and i think, it's proven very popular on the site, i think, will prove very popular in real life now on to post hsv. So yes, before we get into the cars just to give you an idea of what's actually happening, we now know that hsv is officially dead.
It will be replaced by gms fee known for general motors specialty vehicles, which will launch in the fourth quarter of 2020. It'Ll focus on this chevrolet silverado first and then the corvette stingray left hand drive vehicles will be converted to right hand, drive by the walk and short team right hand. Drive vehicles like the corvette stingray will be imported directly and they'll be sold through a number of dealers, mostly x, holden and hsv dealers will be converted to gms these special vehicles dealerships and sell these new models. So all we know so far is that there are going to be two cars, chevrolet silverado and uh corvette stingray, but of course, they're not going to end with just two cars so that got us to thinking. Okay, well, let's have a look at gm's, broader fleet. We know that left hand, drive is no longer a barrier, they can convert them here so left hand, drive right, hand, drive doesn't, really matter. What would we like to see in australia? What do we think could make a difference, and so we trimmed it down to five cars i'm, going to start from the very top for you uh, and if you know, if you know american cars you'll know the chevrolet suburban, it is an suv that's gone through The the hulk treatment it's this massive um uh – i mean – and i mean genuinely massive bust of a thing – 5.7 meters – long, almost 2 meters, tall 2 meters wide you can have a choice.
You can have a choice of engines which is nice, both of them v8s. 5.3 liter v8 or 6.2 liter v8, both of which pair with the 10 speed, auto it's about us, 56 grand which is roughly 90 grand based or 100 grand based on straight conversions. But you can certainly expect to pay more than that by the time the car is the car and chester the suburban. The suburban, was here before with holden badgers on it. Was it not not that i recall was it oh yeah, yeah yeah, it was for a short period of time. It was sold as a holden. What here are we talking here? I don't know i've just kind of pulled that out of my hat but i'm pretty sure that's right yeah, i think in uh, potentially in 1998, there you go there, you go and lordy lordy has come a long way since then, goodness, gracious we'll, stick a photo Of the 98 one up there, because it is a horror show but the new one, the new, the new one, isn't uh. So and then, if you get but if you're going to talk, chevrolet suburban, you have to talk it's kind of twin, and this is ironically one of the not least sporty and yet also iconic vehicles. I think in the u.s lineup, and that is the mighty escalade um, so it's the cadillac. If you're into uh hip hop it's it's what you know, it's it's referenced, possibly more than any other vehicle um.
Well, it made it made cadillac cool yeah. There you go so it i mean it is a monster it's, basically the same size as a suburban, although you can have it with a three liter diesel or the 6.2 liter v8. You can have it riding on these shining 22 inch alloys. It just looks big mean bruising, however it's 77k, which would be roughly 140 000 australian before importing it before converting it. So if you want that bad boy you're going to pay for it now this one, i suspect, i'm, going to get a little bit of heat for, but the chevrolet camaro wasn't a runaway success in australia. There'S really, no, no other way to describe it. While the mustang was selling, you know handover fists the camaro. Just never really, you know captured the same audience potentially because it was maybe a fair bit to pay for that vehicle enter. Then the camaro 1ls, which gets the camaro's look. You know that tough muscle car bumblebee kind of look, but it pairs it with a turbocharged four cylinder: petrol engine good for 205, kilowatts and '9 newton meters. Now i know that doesn't sound like a lot but remember the ford mustang high performance is 236 and 448. So it's not too far off uh. You know that realm, but critically it starts in the us at about 25 995. So you can probably get one here. 45 000 convert it sell it. I don't know: what do you reckon to me that's a bit like zero alcohol beer? You know it's, not quite what you want.
It might look right, but uh yeah completely agree with you. I thought i thought i might take some heat on it anyway. Well, let me move on to what can only be this that's, a zero alcohol beer. This is this is a pint glass of bourbon whiskey. This is the gm the gmc canyon, which is this the smallest truck in the ca in the gmc lineup, but again, it's small by american standards stretches 5.3 meters and it's kind of because of that size, it's kind of vaguely arrival to cars like the toyota highlights In the ford ranger it's powered by 2.8 litre diesel pumps out 134 kilowatts and 500 newton meters, and it starts at 28 grand in the us in two way drive that's more like it yeah, but look to you know. Suffice it to say, like all mutes, it comes in about 11 billion different configurations and you can spend anywhere up to a gazillion dollars, but it starts at 28, grand in two wheel, drive and it's, a cool, tough, looking american truck and it's about the right size. For our market, finally, this is my number five and probably the one i'm most excited about. Hummer is a brand in australia, at least that is uh has always attracted plenty of scorn. Hasn'T, it really let's be honest, so, but it's coming back. We know this now under the gmc badge as an all electric lineup, so far, they've only teased a very cool looking truck and a very cool.
Looking suv now wait for the numbers they're saying: it'll it'll deliver 745 kilowatts of power; 15 592 millimeters, which may not all be applicable to the wheels to be perfectly fair, uh, either way: it's promising it'll clip roughly 100 kilometers an hour or 96 kilometers an hour In just three seconds flat, it'll also travel further than 600 kilometers between charges and is set up for 350 kilowatt fast charging. It is chester, you said 15 000 newton meters now you've got to mean 1 500.. I know right. No, i don't. I do not believe that i do. Let me just double check that number, because it does seem absolutely outrageous standby, but anyway, while i'm doing that uh but look, it is a super super super cool truck. It is it's a truck it's, an suv, it's uh ev. Only it's the future it's still cool that's, the car that i probably want the most, but dear lord, you can expect to pay for it if they can get it. I bet straight. I bet and within minutes there'll be a stretch, version doing wedding receptions. Yes, yeah now i'm gon na have to we'll have to get the engineers onto this uh under this, and if there are any out there, but they are, they are claiming – and this i mean it's, a tiny number: 15 591.9 newton meters of torque, all right, wow Um, okay, that that's the only sort of spec detail they've released on that car today, so uh we'll have to wait and see exactly how they plan on producing that much that much talk.
But anyway, there you go what's your choice or what are you going to add to that list? Where where's your mind at with what might come our way? Listen, i did a bit of digging and you know this is a theoretical list right. You know we don't request. Gms might necessarily bring these cars in so the one car that i did find that i found super super interesting, cadillac, ct6 v. So snap exactly i agree. So the ct6 is uh cadillac's take on that that large sedan space, so it competes against things like mercedes s, class um. You know audi a8 uh, bmw, 7 series, but the the v uh variant is their flagship performance car and to my research this is the only car across the gm portfolio that is powered by that black wing v8 engine. So to develop this engine 4.2 liter twin turbo v8 in the ct6v. It makes 410 kilowatts, 868 newton meters, uh 10 speed automatic uh transmission. All wheel drive uh, you know in this ultra luxe uh. You know big boy, luxury sedan, so they've even gone down the hand built engine thing like it's got: it's got the plaque from the person that put it together and all that business yeah. I hate to say this, but one thing: we've learned from gm and holden in australia, it's that large sedans is really where they want to be hold on. I just want one hsv couldn't get me enough product out the door we're talking gms v here.
This is, this is a different kind of proposition. I think it's got legs, you know it's what like 1995 grain in the us, so you're looking at 180, almost 200 000 in australia like is there a market for it? Probably not, but you know, uh that's, the only car in the world with that sort of engine, so you know bring it here. Please interesting. I had i had one other and as as well as that, one, the gmc 3500 okay and in fact the denali version um, which is i found out, that's the highest peak in north america. It used to be called mount mckinley and it's. A 6.6 liter duramax v8 turbo diesel it can only tow 9.1 tonnes and carry it, has a three ton: three ton payload the thing is awesome, even if you just brought one in and converted it there'd be someone ready to buy it for, for the right number. We'Ll have a picture of it up there for people on youtube. I would love to see that um in australia. It is a an environmentalist nightmare i would say, because it would chew through the dinosaur, a dinosaur juice like uh. Nothing else can i just point out one utterly painful thing at the moment. Imagine if we were having this conversation back when the australian dollar bought a dollar 10 usd yeah. All of these things would be so much more accessible now, it's uh. It basically seems to be stuck hovering around a dollar.
Fifty it's, a dollar forty at the moment, but yeah that uh that hurts the conversion ever so slightly doesn't it it does it does so. What we'd love to hear is our viewers and our listeners telling us what they'd like to see whether we've come close or whether there's something we've missed? What what is it that you'd like to see coming to australia via gms v, but for now we'll move into a different garage it's, our one and we'll start with utung in terms of what you've been driving and for for international uh viewers and listeners? We should mention that victoria has been uh subject to a pretty tight lockdown for coronavirus uh because of some blips here and there. What do you call them spot fires of virus around the place hot spots, you have a toyota of a certain stripe tool. Tell us about it, i do i do i've been in a toyota chr, hybrid uh. You know for a couple of weeks now: uh, you know, obviously not doing a whole lot of driving uh, given that we're in stage four lockdown, and i can only really go to the shops and go out to exercise but um. What surprised me most about that car is actually the efficiency you know obviously uh the hybrid chr uh 1.8 liter petrol engine paired with an electric motor uh driving just the front wheels but um for a small suv. You know i'm averaging about five liters per hundred kilometers, one of the better uh numbers that i've gotten in recent memory.
Yep um. So you know it offers the the practicality of an suv all be with some compromised receipts and smaller movements, but uh. You know it looks good it's, it's, stylish it's got the equipment and the gear that you want in it, and it's got an engine that you know. It'S got really good fuel economy. Chester. You were balking at the thought of compromised rear seats. Would you like to elaborate a bit on that mate? Two things i'd say about that one. I think engineering is fantastic. It drives really well, it it's crying out for a more powerful engine, but the dynamics are actually really good in that vehicle. I think it might have debuted the tnga platform in australia if i'm not mistaken, but i'm right, but the compromise receipts, my god, you couldn't put anyone you like back there, but that is the most poorly designed rear door of recent memory where the the window is About that big, the very top, and so the body of the door is, is sort of above head height. You turn to your right, or you can see his door. You can't see out any windows, it's, really nice plus. If you have kids – and i don't but i've, been reliably informed, they can't reach those those uh high door handles on the rear door, either so as a sort of small family vehicle. I think it's surprisingly flawed for a toyota, okay, so a small car as a young couple, family uh as a young couple like you, know perfectly fine, but you're, absolutely right that that design element of having the uh the rear door handles hidden in the c pillar And it's so highly positioned and it's in such an awkward way that it actually makes it harder for you to open the door because all the weight you all the weight is distributed.
You know in a really awkward way: yeah it's it's design, design over uh practicality. There isn't it in in the rear of that car, but it is, but it is nice and nice to drive nice to drive, looks cool. It looks cool yeah, yes, and we look when it comes down to it. It might sound like an afterthought but that's so important in that market. You know people young first, first new car buyers, maybe or you know, couples that want to get something for the city. It'S got to look cool it's got to have the right, um personality. I suppose that's right, that's right price is also a big factor in that car that might sort of hold it back 37 and a half grand or just a touch over 37.5 grand for the hybrid it's, a lot of money. So scrap what i said about. First, new car that's rubbish, um it's, going to be it's going to be more than that isn't. It yeah yeah very good point now: chester we're going to stay in the toyota tent because you've been investigating uh a new model. Tell us about that. I have now a small caveat i'm, actually not allowed to tell you what uh how it drives it. You'Ll have to go to the car's guide website from september 3 to figure that out, but we do know what it costs and what you get, and that is, of course, the toyota yaris tent.
If you think yours is a lot of money, let me see you raise you so basically, this new yaris spells the end of the sub 20 000 toyota. It simply ceases to exist and and for theirs, it's unlikely to ever come back. In fact, they now say that if you, if you do, want a toyota as your first car, they recommend buying a guaranteed secondhand vehicle, because new cars are just because of all the safety equipment. That'S being added. New cars are simply out of reach. I guess for first time shoppers so, which leads me neatly to the new yaris that i have spent a considerable amount of time with over the last couple of weeks now it starts. It starts at twenty two thousand one hundred and thirty dollars for the entry level. 1.5 liter petrol manual, gearbox 15 inch steel, wheels city car. Now that is a lot of bickies in fact, it's, almost seven grand more than it used to be that same car. The ascent manual was fifteen thousand three hundred and ninety dollars in the outgoing model, so that is, that is a big, a big jump. No so the biggest the biggest difference, of course, is the gold plated wheels and there are diamonds. There are dying monsters in set into the gear shifter. Is that right? No well look. Basically, there is a ton, and i mean a ton of safety kits so we'll get to that in just a moment.
But, okay, the problem is in my experience. People are often unwilling to pay for safety stuff. The stuff you can't see they don't care too much about. So when you do jump in that car you are met with sort of hard plastics and, as i said, steel wheels and there's nothing about it. That feels like it's, going to be a 22 000 plus vehicle. Now, unfortunately, the news does get worse from there, because the the car continues to climb. So if you wanted that with an automatic gearbox, it is going to cost. You bear with me uh 630 wow, because even in that context of a higher starting point, that is in fact a price leader, the number of people that are going to buy a manual yaris. You could count on the fingers of one hand exactly exactly so 23 plus for the cbt. Then, if you want to step up to the sx, which does add a little bit of extra equipment, but maintains that 1.5 liter petrol engine and the cvt gearbox it's 27 020, which is a sizeable jump, then you're gon na have that vehicle with a hybrid powertrain. For twenty nine thousand twenty dollars here it comes here: it comes here: it comes so top spec, zetta non hybrid, so 1.5 litre petrol engine cvt automatic 30. 100. If you want that car with a hybrid it's, 32 100. Now, if you're playing along at home, you'll find that some of these prices are about 12 or 1300 cheaper than a toyota corolla, which does make you especially the entry level.
I think the entry level from memory is 13 or 1400, which does make you wonder when you walk into a toyota dealership, and you see a corolla on your right and a yaris on your left. The price difference is 1300 or 1400. What why who's not making that jump to the corolla it's a tough sell from that list uh you can actually get a corolla hybrid, cheaper than the you know, than a yaris hybrid, because the corolla level, exactly exactly so from memory. I believe the cheapest corolla hybrid is sort of sitting around that 27 28 000 mark, whereas the cheapest yaris hybrid is 29 grand yeah and so look. The short answer is it's a lot of money for a city car, no matter how good it is – and i don't want to sound like i'm ragging on toyota here, but it does fill me with fear from the gr yaris and just how much if the, if The non gr's 33 000 fills me with great fear as to what the gi yaris might end up costing, but anyway we'll find that out soon enough, let's talk about the good stuff. For a moment, you do get some pretty good equipment, actually, no matter how much you spend you get a seven inch touchscreen, which gets apple, carplay and android. Auto and people who know toyota know that that's a fairly new addition to the to the lineup, but it does make a massive difference.
You get a little 4.2 inch digital screen in the driver's binnacle and you get a lot of safety. Excuse me a lot of safety stuff. You get eight airbags squeezed into that tiny little car, including two front center, airbags, it's the only vehicle in that segment to get them. You get the full pre collision safety system, so aab with pedestrian cyclist detection, active cruise control, intersection, turn assistance, lane trace, assist with active, steering road sign, recognition or reversing camera all from the base level car. So you cannot fault on on safety equipment. You really can't, but it's still it is uh it's, a tall mountain decline for your first new car. I think at 23 000. i mean that's well a few bickies it's another one where right now, you're scratching your head, but in 12 months time, we're. Looking back and going, oh, that was a bad decision, or that was a killer decision. You know who who who knows, but on the face of it, it just seems to vacate that territory. Toyota has built so much of its success, not just here, but all over. The place on having a staircase that people can plot can climb. You know, through their lives and there's, always been a really affordable price leader to get people married to the brand. So if they're vacating that and saying look buy one of our approved used cars that just seems like such a strange decision. Yeah look.
I totally agree. I have. I do have a conspiracy theory totally unproven at this point, but it's no secret that the smaller the car generally speaking, the less profit, is in it for the manufacturer and the dealer. So for me positioning this vehicle, which we all know is a shrinking segment positioning. This vehicle closer to its bigger vehicles, making that jump a little bit smaller it's, probably not a probably, not a bad idea in terms of in terms of profit line, but i do suspect that brands like kia would be rubbing their hands together with glee thinking. Oh, my god, everyone we're going to get every sub 20 buyer in the country yeah. We also have to consider garrus cross coming for the end of the year as well. You know that's going to be positioned, probably just above yaris and it's, going to make that jump from yaris to yara's cross. Look that much more appealing, because yes right now, so i mean to your point chester. I suppose the yaris is that do sell, there'll be more profit margin in them in them. Yeah you can see. The volume goes out the window, but the profit is more worthwhile, so whether they can amortize that over time, because the smaller volume you you really do need to make a bigger profit to make it worth your. While i can give you an example of that. Actually, i i spoke to hyundai's now former uh, ceo of when they launched the uh hyundai venue and and axe the um axe, the accent um.
Basically he said he was very honest about it. He said: look i'm! Confronted with this issue, where i can sell lots of these cars and make absolutely zero dollars or i can sell fewer of these cars and make a little bit of money on every car that we sell, so i had to make the decision between do. I want to be a high volume, low profit brand, or do i want to be a lower volume brand that actually makes profit he's gone down that path? Hence the reason i suspect it wouldn't. Surprise me if toyota were following a similar trajectory, but they have not in any way confirmed that well it's, that it's, that kind of it's that kind of shift in direction where you really need to bring your retailers with you, because, if you're saying we're going to Have lower volume um their throughput in the workshop and the spare parts area, and, and all of that will reduce accordingly, so it has to be something in it for them as well. It can't just be what's right for the wholesaler importer. It has to be right for the retailer as well yeah that's right anyway. We will see and uh so do check back on september 3rd to see what that car is like, because uh i i do feel like i've, given it a light tickle here but uh. It does have some plus sides too, so check it out. Okay, now, it's only just dawned on me that uh the car i've been driving, keeps us in the toyota tent right to the end, so we've each been we've each been in a toyota um, certainly um.
Accidental, rather than anything planned, but i've been in a camry which is kind of the last sedan standing or one of them. You know in terms of a full size sedan. This one was the camry ascent sport hybrid. So once again, a hybrid and toyota is just starting: well, not starting it. It absolutely owns that a hybrid space they're, making it their own 33, 790 and you're into this camry, which is interesting from the top end of the yaris point of view 2.5 liter four and then an ac electric motor 160 kilowatts combined. So it's it's. You know it's, not um, it's, certainly no powerhouse, but it's not embarrassed either. You know it's got enough to get the job done, a cvt, uh and it's on the tnga platform and that's. One of my big pluses with this car is the comfort it is exceptionally comfortable. It really irons out bumps and thumps around the city uh, just without effort. It'S got the car play that's a big plus now that toyota's on board, with all of that i found in the time with the car and tung 4.9 litres, is what i recorded during a week with that car 4.9 liters per 100, which is pretty exceptional and Amazing it's also loaded with safety and i'd say at that price. It'S, really good value. On the negative side i found when the petrol engine kicked in, it was quite loud and intrusive and it only had modest performance it's a reasonably hefty car.
So it's not a lot of grunt to move it around, but it's, not that kind of car you just want it to be adequate and and get you there effectively, and it certainly does that. So at that money it's nicely put together, it's super comfy. The seats are terrific plenty of space. You know, i think, it's a really good proposition. If that's what you want, the traditional four door, booted sedan, um. I thought it was terrific yeah. I agree. I drove that carriage into international launch and uh went in there expecting it to be a snooze fest and came away really impressed by it dynamically. I think, it's, a really nice car, yeah yeah totally now um. What we will move from from nice cars is to a person who dreams of building more and more nice cars in this week's musk watch right so we'll, kick it off uh. According to the verge elon musk is going to have a live demonstration. Uh of a working neuralink device saturday morning, australian time, friday, night u.s time, um, where he will demonstrate it's, presumably a brain machine interface, which is what neuralink is all about now really it's about helping people with some kind of disability me that maybe that's a an Intellectual impairment or some kind of physical disability to reconnect themselves and it's an admirable aim. It'S just going to be fascinating. What is demonstrated overnight? The company wants to connect the brain using flexible, electrodes thinner than a human hair that it calls threads.
There are current bmi devices that will do that, but they're very big kind of wires and it's all super clunky. So the promise here that is, that it becomes kind of plug you in and off you go. I reckon i reckon it's going to be amazing. I'M. Sure i, like the sound effects, one step closer to the matrix, an implantable device that lets people, control, phones or computers with their mind. Why do we want to do that now on on twitter? The peanut fox in response to this news said: can i get a chip in my brain so that i can control my sony bravia with thought using a handheld remote is so 1950s, which i thought was good. Tony gonzalez says this is not okay and – and i can totally see his point – i don't know how i'd feel about people just um, plugging into my mind, that's for sure um, mr biller, mr biller, who has actually put a registered symbol on his name on twitter. So mr biller says how are we going to take a bath after the implant and comey? It came to my mind while bathing. Mr biller is a very strange person but he's worried about the water, waterproofing, obviously and shad sedale said dude. Stop it you're becoming a black mirror episode and i dug into black mirror – and i think he's pretty right, but also on twitter elon posted up a picture of a little screen, obviously on a music desk like a synthesizer and said old school spelling it you know, So funny and online, with uh, o l d e and s k, o l e old school analog synthesizer from ancient britain.
Now on this little screen, it said ease are good all right, so these are good and category was poly, so it's a polyphonic synthesizer. So various people came back with naughty naughty, very naughty, because the shaman had a song called ebenezer good, so easy good. Even these are good. Others took it a slightly different way. That ease may mean something else, but danielle von vicini said doesn't look analog to me. It has an lcd screen in there, so by definition, that's, probably not analog core respect, says, leave the synths and music to us, mate um, so uh they may have come from australia with that kind of phrasing, um and carville version 2.0 says special ease for you And the picture that he that he used was tesla branded these little pills, tesla branded pills and they have cp written on them, which i'm told might mean mdma or you know another name for ecstasy. But what what i did discover is that it's, a moog novation peak synthesizer, so elon's back on the tunes he'll, probably put out another song very shortly, and the final final twitter, twitter kind of foray was. He says the big bang started very, very small and there's another hilarious internet word: yeah, smol he's, just so onto it it's a it was a tiny little pig. A little piglet in this enormous room and people on youtube can see that. But steve just said: are you shrinking things again? It wasn't funny when you did it with investor confidence and it's, not funny now, which i thought was pretty good.
Speaking of investor confidence. Tesla share price is 2 238.75. Now it was 2001 last week, so it's gone up more than 200 in a single week and the high during the week was slightly higher again. So it continues to just go upstairs like nobody's business and on etoro, which is an online private trading site. Danielle 8 says: do not short tesla. You can fight you, can't fight the trend, most of the investors. Can'T read financial reports, so they'll keep buying. The bubble will burst later. So what that person's saying and it's hard to disagree with it is there's. So much heat in this stock that there's still a long way for it to go before people kind of realize that it's, based on a company whose turnover is far far smaller than that capitalization would have you believe so it's only a matter of time. I reckon and others agree so it'll be interesting to watch from the sidelines um but we've just yeah just before we go fun fact for you. Do you recall roughly when we started this podcast um well we're at 140, so um it's going to be close to three years ago, so we'll say 2017? Yes, okay! So when we started talking about tesla shares in 2017, if we had bought them, they were 343 dollars, a pop they're now at uh, now at 2, 000, whatever my god. Why didn't we get on a couple then? Yes, well i mean matt.
Matt campbell was talking about a colleague of his who sold them at 200. 200. Yes, and had a few so made some okay money, but not quite what they would have made today, yeah that hurts uh. But with that, we have reached the finish line. Thank you guys, thank you, chester and thank you tom, thank you, everyone and thanks to our viceroy of production, excellence, snake bodyguard and chairman of the cheese board, mr pritchard for his multitasking magnificence today, he's wearing a t, shirt saying sorry, i'm late, i didn't want to Come beef, pants and spongebob skate shoes. Please pass on the word about the podcast and let us know your thoughts by searching for cars guide on facebook and instagram, using the hashtag, cgpodcast or email us at comments. Carsguy.Com dot! A! U! If you're an apple podcast listener. Please rate and review us and remember: you can watch us on youtube, but before we go forgot to mention, i was going through the manual for that camry i've been driving with a fine tooth comb and found a warning that says: do not raise the audio to Full volume for extended periods now that's sound advice. Thank you.