I know it's already caused you significant trouser trouble. Why is it so exciting? They don't make them very often when they do build them. They tend to be quite flawed, very memorable, and i, like that, have they ever done them three wagon? No, no! No! This is it well, they did they built one off didn't. They they've got one people 46 yeah and i think it's, just a car that one always feels would be a great bmw. That bmw would be brilliant at this, but i think they they've always burnt their fingers, because they've they've, when they've plucked up the courage to make one, probably against all their better judgement and whatever the financial, big forehead people say it tends to. It tends to crash a bit when it comes to market because it's in the middle of a recession or something the timing, is always unfortunate for them that e34 touring they didn't make many. It was expensive, you know handmade at garshing and therefore you know they never made any money out of them. The v10 one commercially, not a success again, and i think at that point by then audi had become the preeminent faster state maker. That was the home of the fast estate. They they'd almost owned that entire space, and i would have thought bmw's being counter. Sat there and what's the point in trying to penetrate that market. When audi owns it or let's do our own, it seems absurd.
The bmw would be in any way. I think what i think, what changed it is that the fundamentally most people that buy an estate car want something a little bit safer, a bit more sure, footed they're, predominantly bought by people with lots of money in france and switzerland and germany and italy that want To drive to ski resorts yeah and if you've only got a two wheel, drive option: you're massively limited yeah aren't you so now bmw's got a four wheel, drive platform. Then i think it makes a lot more sense for them and i would have thought that a lot of the cost savings come in, making sure that you decide to do it an early stage so that you know the body and white and everything's all there ready To go these cars become expensive when you've got to adjust something late in the model cycle to make it special. What is it about fast estates? We were just talking about fast suvs and how unpalatable some of them are, but what is about first states? I know you've just got a dog, so you don't have to say that the fact that you can use it i've got a pan. Am sport turismo turbo that i'm using for a bit? And i might, i might end up buying it because i think it's just a sensational estate car smallish, very long estate car. I think there is there's, always been a naughty surprise factor to a really fast estate car.
This idea that um, that something that is utilitarian and ordinary and shouts family that is suddenly converted into being really fast and and there's a stealth. That comes with that, although of course the stealth thing went a long time ago, once audi started, blistering, arches and yeah, the new rs6 hardly flies under the new rf6 just looks like an animal doesn't it yeah um. So i think that that stealth is kind of gone e63 is still quite stealthy. You take the badges off they're quite difficult, but then the moment you pull away it's quite noisy yeah they're fast. So i think there's there's. That aspect, i think, a long roof vehicle tends to look better than them than three boxes. Yeah um, i just i just love them. I love the practicality. I'D always have an estate over the saloon version always and even though the you know, the bodies do bend a bit and they tend to be a bit slower and they're. Not you know. If you really pick them apart, they can be a bit worse to drive. Yeah, but i just i love them: they just suit my life. Some vehicles just suit people's lives, don't. They well leave it there because you're getting a bit sweaty, but they are, as mentioned earlier. There is a new m3 yeah, m3 saloon, m4 coupe they'll. Do a cabriolet down the line um now you haven't actually seen the new one. Have you we've we've shot it in the studio i've only seen that spy shot thing, the camo car yeah i'm, not sure very loud shirt depending on this video.
If we have we're gon na put some pictures up here for you to enjoy it yeah, but i'll, let chris's face just have a little, so that's m3 saloon they've done it to the saloon as well. I thought the student escaped it. Okay, let's talk about this. Now, okay, so the first time you're exposed to it, you recoil and you go what the hell have they done. I can see the thinking behind it because they were just going wider and wider and wider with the kidneys to the point where you think we're gon na put the headlights now yeah and they had to do something else and the vertical the the longer vertical kidneys Hark back to a different time for bmw and, i think, look better, so you come back to sort of e21 three series and some of the older cars not on that scale. No. This is now enormous, obviously taking in to count the fact that chinese seem to love massive grills and uglier and uglier grills and people are doing that. What you've just shown me there is a bit harsher than i thought it was going to be we'll rerun, we'll rerun the video, because you were silent for a good minute and a half there, but there's this okay there's a suspicion, a suspicion for me lurking there That, in a year's time, once these things have been on the road for a year, we might all go actually looks quite good and i'm okay with it it's a lot better with a number plate.
If you first saw the new four series or any of the spy shots without a plate across it, just an expanse of grill, there is going to be an aftermarket game in in basically de uglifying it's like advantageous grill there's, a company that will just sell your New grill, yes bit smaller um, how insulting that is, if you design the buddies all right, so the design is obviously you know each to their own on that one um, but in terms of the car 500 horsepower three liter twin, uh, twin turbo, straight six rear Wheel drive, i think there's gon na be a four wheel. Drive option yeah later, but rear wheel drive to start with famously the current car or the outgoing car was a little bit spiky to drive. I know you liked it. I know stig liked it and a few other nutters out there, but it was almost now correct if i'm wrong a bit overshadowed by the m2, which came along and it's just this lovely little thing and kind of did what we always went to so well. It was those that bought them and ran them loved them. Yeah um there was this. Everyone thought the compact transformed it. I didn't really. I had a standard car for a year and i absolutely loved it, and it was one of those cars that had a lot of character and had some obvious flaws that you could really get around. If you wanted to.
All i used to do with mine was always make sure i had the adaptive dampers. I ran it in soft the whole time and – and i sadly had a dct gearbox rather than a manual in the one i used. But as long as you were up a gear beyond where you thought you should be and just use the torque and match the talk against the traction, it wasn't as lary as you thought, where it got very spiky, was in the wet when you used to just Stomp on it, like you, would in an rs4 or something yeah, then it was, it did become a real handful. So what does the new car need to do that? The current one doesn't? I think it was a really great m car that last one. I thought it i think um. It just needs a four wheel, drive package because now you've got so much power that, in a in a relatively small saloon, car 500 horsepower is very difficult to manage and i think people make these decisions based on buying decisions based on some weird factors that sometimes We don't take into account, and one of them is what's. It like to drive in the wet, and the last thing you want i'll tell you the scenario that every m3 owner absolutely is terrified of. It sounds so sad that you know the m3 owner is quite alpha, quite confident he or she they come to the lights and it's just started raining and an rs4 pulls up next to it.
Here we go and they think oh ready, we're ready to go here and the audi just pisses off into the distance and they're just sitting there in a straight line with the yellow light, flashing and that's enough for them to want to sell it straight away. Yeah. So i think, other than that, i think the outgoing m3 was a great car. I really do. I think it was high quality inside it looked fantastic, the saloon, the treatment with those the way they did the front. The fled, rear arch, the stance of the car on the road was fantastic. It was bloody fast, it went like you know what eminently tunable just needs to be a bit more of that and the four wheel drive package will broaden its appeal massively and just for the record, because this will give viewers a little bit more context on where Your head's coming from favorite m car of all time, e28 m5 best car they made i've got one, but but they are, is so special and so even now, it's ridiculous. What that must have felt like in 1985 286 horsepower when a really fast car had 140 horsepower so, and i i maintain that's the best but i've i vacillate on all this stuff hugely. I think i think the 1m is one of the greats. I just love it every time i get in mine. I just cannot believe how good it is and how much fun it is, and at the time we all said that was a and not a proper m car and everyone crowed about the e90 m3.
With this v8, i wouldn't i literally wouldn't, on a e90 m3 to get near mine. I just i think, it's. Absolutely. The 1m is a much more exciting car it's funny how things change over time, the m3 there's a maturity about the m3. That makes it a probably a more pleasant everyday car than an m2 yeah that that slightly longer wheelbase. The other thing is little little touches like when you're living with it. The trim quality of an m3, the leather facings, all the stuff. The contact points, the touchy feely stuff in an m3 is lovely. The m2 feels cheap. As you know what in places it really does so i can. I can see why people think the m2 is the is the hero car, but also look at the numbers. I'M. Sure they've built a lot more m3s than m2s. I think the m3 has been a real success. The last one look, the fact is: they're still making one. I thought we might not get another one. I thought we might be told that the next m car was going to be all electric and not just anyone they're doing the touring exactly yeah. I think i think we're blessed to be getting one and as long as you can just de ugly, it which is entirely possible, then we'll be good, so basically buy a new m3 touring.