Here are some half price examples. Alternatives in the used market and we've got some good feedback. Our old mate lofty visions says another great show, guys uh. Thank you thumbs up. So, thank you lofty um. He says the wz fiesta st is a great secondhand. Mug yeah he's he's seen a few 2015 to 16 models for around 15k, which is great bang for buck. If that's your thing and they've been 15 for a while too it's amazing there's been a there's been a few lower than that. I am an eager, uh observer in that part of the market i never buy. But i always look and there's there's been a few around 11 or 12 grand and you know with with respectable k's and in decent condition as well. Although there was one i saw a little while ago, that was 9500, but it had been stacked. So just be careful if you are looking in in the performance hatch market and make sure you uh check for prior damage that may have been covered up, and many of them would have seen track time too. So oh yeah, oh yeah, um lofty's son, has noticed the license plates on many cars that we and other aussie sites reviews have the regio starting bgl and he says what's all that about. Are they private plates he'd be stoked? If you could, let him know cheers thumbs up, and i i break my brains on this. I know that there are various uh companies that use um dummy plates to represent a typical australian license plate, but it's, not a real regio, and i went to look at those sequences i couldn't find bgl anywhere.
Has that struck you guys? I think bgl is just whatever the new south wales uh black and white plate. Uh system is up to at the point in time that he's seen these cars just might have just been that there was a a bunch of cars that came through for rejo. At the same time, yeah and anything we review is brand new and they only keep them on fleet, for you know a brief period of time, so they it kind of always represents a. You know a snapshot of yes right now, yeah so, but i haven't noticed that i'll keep my eyes peeled. Well, we'll, keep it we'll we'll, keep a watch on dgl gate and see whether or not we can discern an ongoing trend. Yeah the mind boggles now: uh berdy um, our old mate uh, proud, victorian, says what's a reasonable odometer reading for a five to ten year old second hand car. Now he remembers the days when honest john dealers would advertise a car with low kilometers, meaning under a hundred thousand um so yeah. What do we reckon for a five to ten year old car, what's, what's, good or what's, reasonable or what's a bit over? The top i've got lots of passionate thoughts on this topic, and i think i think it depends on the car. I think it depends largely on the car, so you know a small engine that revs a lot. Uh is working a lot harder than a big engine that you know big, say a big diesel engine that delivers its power at two and a half thousand revs and doesn't have much at all and barely ticking over yeah yeah.
It doesn't work very hard, but it comes down to how they're engineered and designed as well um, so it varies considerably depending on the type of car but um. You know, i think we operate on an average uh 15 000 cases a year i was i was going to say i was going to say 20 but but yeah, i think it's well, let's call it between 15 and 20, 000k yeah and look generally, if you, If you fall under that multiplied by the age of the vehicle, it's low – and you know the other side high, but yeah – it uh it's it's unwise to look at it in that black and white um yeah through that black and whiter lens. Yes, yes, that's. True, that is, that is true. Now um nathan, smith nathan, says uh. We always emphasize the number of kilometers of car travel. So, to your point now, um a locate car commands a better price. Does that apply to electric cars when battery life is perhaps compromised over time, but but not by kilometers traveled, and he says as an afterthought, by the way i enjoy your podcast. Thank you um. I was going to say, i think he's right, but again it would be how the vehicle's been used if it's a full zero emission, zero tarpop emission car it's the charging cycles that the batteries had and the number of them, and maybe the type of them that, If it's very high powered recharging, there's a certain amount of heat involved, that may put some stress on the battery and and send it south sooner than if you're charging it a different way.
I suppose it's new territory in a lot of ways, yeah very much so and the other thing is um like if the kilometers travel will still have some bearing yeah there's, a pun, because the car, still you know, whilst an electric vehicle, has far fewer moving parts. It'S still got plenty of moving parts and yeah stressed moving parts bearings brakes, bushes, you know um, i think that's right that's. One of the great myths of electric cars is that they don't require maintenance. They do, you know, there's still plenty of bits that need replacing and care, for you know yeah and highly complex cooling systems as well. You know we, you know we're all annoyed by the need to replace the radiator or when a radiator fails like these. The batteries are so temperature sensitive yeah that these cars are full of fans and full of coolant lines and full of radiators and yes, thermostats. I think it was um jalopnik that ran a story um from a an owner of a tesla that had reached a million miles and they'd kept a catalog of every single cost that they've encountered over that time, and it really did dispel the myth. This is a maintenance, free sort of drive experience you've got to keep in mind if you are looking at an electric car, even a used one, that it will have things that go wrong. It'S not going to be perfect. No car is perfect. So just remember that i think is the important part.
Yeah good point, good point, good point: now you know brakes and tires too. You know yeah. Yes, of course, they're. A constant gradlen 74 just makes the the bold statement second hand. Cars are very environmentally friendly and i think that's a really good debate topic. That would be a fantastic debate because, on the one hand, you've got all of this carbon stabilized in this car and its construction happened a long time ago. It'S meant that new cars may not have been produced, but then you've got a possible smoky. Tailpipe you've got the emissions that it's actually putting out there. How do you balance that statement? You know that second hand. Cars are in fact environmentally friendly. There are indeed environmental benefits to not wasting all that work that goes into building a car by holding onto it longer but yeah, as you say, it's balanced with uh how much an older car emits and how a car that's wearing out the mix advances in technology. Um sort of dispel that a little bit as well, because you know, as we watch the average fuel consumption figures, drop and drop and drop and drop and as electrification becomes more and more mainstream we're, going to see more of the new models using less and less Fuel and emitting less co2, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a less impact on the environment from those things because you do have to mine for the battery components, for example, yeah.
So there's there's the whole well to wheel. Uh argument that you need to consider when you're making a statement like older cars are better than newer cars for the environment, yeah that's, true that's. True, i mean it is just you could go on and on and on couldn't you i mean lithium is typically extracted from fairly delicate environmental areas and it's a limited resource, so battery technology will move on and probably leave lithium behind, but yeah other heavy metals and Things that are currently used in batteries it's all quite problematic, yeah um. So let let's you know, let's leave it there, it's it's, not an easy one to answer in the context of a podcast yeah. I would also like to acknowledge, though, that until was it 2018 you know. Historically, we have been an advantage environmentally in that we produced vehicles. Here we produced the glass for them. You know back in the day they produced a plastic etc as well. You know the wheels etc. You know that is no longer the case. Unfortunately, but yeah yep yep scenario, another regular hammer rocks um is noted that new car depreciation in australia is his word shocking um. He had a cpa uncle, always practical, who, a long time ago, advised him to save dollars and buy a 102 year old model with low case and let someone else take the depreciation hit. But he thinks it's got to be even worse in the uk because he watches segments like uh top gear, where they have the challenge segments to go and buy a banger or a cheaper car or whatever fifth gear.
Alternative used cars and he's amazed at what they can buy for the money um compared to australia and he's he's right. But the first thought that occurred to me that overall, new cars are cheaper in the uk uh more often than not than in australia. So you've. Actually got a lower starting point, um from which they depreciate but yeah it's, a smorgasbord seemingly um in the uk for used cars, yeah i've been um trawling. The audi tt used car sites over there uh and a bunch of other cars that i i'd like to keep an eye on um, and you know even the parts that you can find uh are relatively um considerably less um, but also yeah. I think that this is it's 100 right. The the cost of entry in that market is lower because you know that's just how it is. The the pound is different to the australian dollar. We have to consider that, and so you know you might be paying say, 9 000 or ten thousand pounds for a brand new fiesta um. Whereas you know if there was a ford equivalent in australia, you might be paying twenty thousand dollars for it, yeah and so yeah. I think, but i do think australian um used car resale values at the moment uh much stronger than they have been in the years gone by there's. A lot of people um buying used cars right now, because they've got the opportunity to dip into their super and buy a car if they don't want to be catching public transport they'll be doing that to you know, get around the whole covert situation.
So i think that there's um, for instance, in in four wheel, drive land that a lot of people are buying four wheel drives like uh patrols and and land cruisers and hiluxes, and that sort of thing and i've got a a friend and colleague of ours. One of our video uh, guys glenn, who went in and found out that you know he might have paid forty nine thousand dollars for his his hilux sr5. A couple of what was probably seven or eight months ago today to replace that car is 62 grand. So yeah, you know there's a there's, a premium being paid both on used and new yeah. Well, the and the sorry the recent warranty extension. So the status quo for mainstream brands has gone from three to five years and there's plenty of others that go beyond five years. That, in time, will also theoretically encourage better resale across the board. But i also sorry james. I just the other thing we can't ignore is that uh for the uk and the us is that they've got the northern hemisphere, winters with the salted roads and it really just destroys cars. You know they're still full of steel control arms that no matter how much rust protection you put on them. If you douse them in salt, you know every day they rust and that's. Why so many americans value a california car, meaning high, probably high in the sierras. You know but dry and and no humidity and all that stuff, but the other thing i was going to say is you probably have to be cognizant too of light for light between here and the uk in terms of specifications, so you know um they might have Lower grade models that don't ever see the lighter day here that are going to be um less in the or a more attractive price, mercedes e classes with hubcaps.
Oh yes, taxis, yeah, rubber mats and all that, yes, exactly all right. We'Ll we'll leave that button, but we'll carry on to phevs febs and we did touch on plug in hybrid electric vehicles and our old friend de cook said he was theorizing on how to get fevers off the ground in australia and what it boiled down to was Lift fringe benefits tax for companies providing charging for staff, great idea, incentives for businesses to install charging stations and, of course, the the elephant in the room incentive for buyers. You know to to actually encourage them to get a car. You then have commuter transport that barely costs anything to run, although we've shot a few holes in that in the last five minutes or so fbt on eb charging at work halved in germany because, as we know, de cook was recently living in germany and bertie bertie Chipped in and said, there does need to be an ev strategy involving all tiers of government, so federal state, local charging points, subsidies, reduced fbt rates freebs, but he's not holding out too much hope. The feds can't even ditch the lct, which protects a non existent uh. Local car industry, yeah he's right, the the cogs grind uh pretty slowly. I think on these things big time uh we were discussing this yesterday, matt weren't. We we were yeah and just the added benefit of a plug in hybrid over a regular car, uh mal. You made a really good point that you know not being a dad i've, never really thought of, and it's the refueling situation like going to a petrol station or um.
You know like not having to leave your kids in the car or get the kids out. Take them into the shop, get them back in all that gear. You know that the to be able to just plug in when you get home, um is, is just a such a brilliant outcome and then, if you're charging from the solar panels on your roof, never having to pay for it as well, you pay for the car Precisely now um blake blake swann charged in and said um. You know we were talking about plug in hybrid owners forgetting to plug in um that it possibly becomes too arduous, and they just drive the car on the on the internal combustion engine, and we said collectively that that's just the equivalent of its petrol counterpart. But of course he makes the valid point that you are hauling around everything that goes with um, the car being a hybrid, so battery electric motor, all of that extra weight. So it is not the equivalent and he's. Quite right, so you know, makes sense if you drive within a very limited ev, only range on a daily basis. If you remember to charge so um that's. The key point that you do have to be diligent in terms of charging the car up to get the benefit, and i think all of us in the motoring industry have been thinking. The same thing is that when there's a driving, you know inductive charging pad that you can just park on top of that's going to change everything, because you don't have to think about it.
You know it's one less thing we all have busy lives. I hate that i hate that but that's the truth. I just i hate thinking i don't know it's such a waste of time. I don't know i've noticed that. Thank you, yeah um can, i also say think of the context of electric door, electric garage doors who, who you know no one – wants to get out and manually open a garage door and it's the same effort required to plug in an electric car yeah yeah. Really no one's going to want to do it, not a bad analogy. Actually, yes, now we'll move on to more general feedback and reg fundings has said he loves the po love the podcast. Thank you, um skoda, kamek question for richard, who obviously is not with us today, but had been talking about skoda kamik last time he was on the podcast, so reg says tech pack or driver support pack worth it or do you just go the next grade up? So i actually reg went to richard. He came back with his thoughts and, first of all, he said why can't you ask me something easy like what the meaning of life is. You know he's he's, faced a challenge here, but he says the tech pack costs 3. 800, you get things like a big 9.2 inch. You know: media screen better sound system, wireless apple, carplay led headlights, blah blah blah driver support pack. Forty one hundred 100 auto parking, heated seats, power, driver's seat, leather upholstery, you know, and other safety bits like blind, spot warning and rear cross traffic alert blah blah blah.
He says what you should do is get the driver support pack, because the safety equipment, trumps convenience features every time in his book, so that that's his point of view. So no point stepping up a great either you'll, be spending 6k to go into a monte carlo, which is the next level up, and it has next to none of the features in those packs. So he says 85 tfsi, with the driver. Support pack is the way to go, so there is a comprehensive response for you reg. I hope that helps it helps me and i wasn't even interested now, reg also chipped in and said. If we want a second hand bargain, he has a couple in the back panic: he's got an eight he's got an 86 telstar and a zero zero falcon, which means, of course, it's an a you falcon um it's, both running. How could you go wrong? So uh? You know he's in the market if people uh are people after, and i would remind people of the brilliant facebook page called au falcons, doing incredible things, which is a constant source of wonder and amusement as far as i'm concerned anyway, now let's see, if came at Us with a couple of comments, he says: mitsubishi's 10 year, warranty quote, sounds like a plan, so he's obviously impressed by what mitsubishi has done, but i think we were talking about it recently that maybe there's a tipping point where a lot, a lengthy warranty is enough And any more is overkill.
You know. People don't necessarily see themselves owning a car for 10 years, notwithstanding mel's point about improved resale, that's, definitely a valid point, but the difference between you know: seven being kia and and sam young seven years up to ten. Is that a big deal? What do we think? I think it is? I think um it's it's more of a branding exercise than anything for mitsubishi to replant themselves in people's, minds, um and to say we have the best warranty in australia is a really strong thing to say to a market where uh, especially if you are mitsubishi, you Don'T have many new products, um there's a lot of products that's been around for a while. The you know. The asx is the obvious example of a vehicle. That'S been very long in the tooth for a very long time, but the um. You know you say to someone you can buy it now. You get 10 10 years of assured warranty a 10 year cap price servicing plan as well. This is you know. This is a moment where people will go so i'm, never going to need to buy another new car again, potentially you know, depending on your age or whatever, and that that also lends to the thought that it could actually damage mitsubishi's new car sales in the longer Term because it might be too long, you know people might not want to get rid of their cars and it could be good for their used car resale values, but the new car sales might actually drop because less people buy them the the embedded benefit there is That it creates throughput in the service workshop for mitsubishi dealers, because part of the deal is that if you have it serviced by an authorised dealer, you do go to 10 years.
200. 000. If you don't, do that it's five years hundred thousand. So what they're? Trying to do is get those older cars into the dealerships for service yeah yeah, and i remember so. I remember someone years ago saying that that was an issue for the suzuki in that people didn't buy new suzuki because they hung onto the old ones. For so long and handed them down through the families yeah you know, and and this is when suzuki only sold small cars with low margin. I don't know if that's the case now, but um yeah, yeah and the other thing with mitsubishi. Is they have a huge dealer network like it's? Not you know joe blogg's, the new brand that's pumped in australia with a dealer in melbourne and a dealer in sydney. Yeah, like you, can take these things to dealers all over the place. I would, i would definitely want to visit a joe bloggs dealership, though i reckon tony lahood joe blogs a few others. Well just what? What would the logo for joe blogs? I don't know it's. Just a bloke looking down, cast and kicking a few stones on the ground to set up a focus group. I think james now let's see if also agreed with us. Last week, bertie had called out the ford escape as aligning with rupert holmes famous song, which of course is the pina colada song, but it's technically called escape. Now i said that rupert holmes was actually looked.
A lot like kenny, everett and let's see it agrees that a kenny everett doppelganger, no doubt about it, so people on youtube will be able to see a side by side image, and i think it proves the point comprehensively now, also just to finish off. Last time round, senior bob gave us some specific feedback about um things related to to stuff that elon musk had said. But gradland74 said tools in the senate has some legs. We can talk, regis legislation related to the car industry in the age of dystopia. I don't. I don't think we've heard the producer's voice before um, which we heard last week. I thought he would have an accent um, but you know he does have an accent: it's, an australian one. Well, actually, it's funny that you'd say that i, the australian, is actually not my native accent. I have to cover it up to uh, protect my identity where i'm asking him if it wasn't for you, you know pestering kids or whatever yeah back in your box. Mr preacher now yeah uh, says time to add one more segment trump watch, so i mean that that would be not just a rabbit hole that would be a wormhole that's incredible now. David'S david work, birdie also um, finished us off with craig kelly, because we were talking about um some points of view from the federal parliament. He says craig kelly is a collingwood 1990 premiership champion. The other craig kelly polly is irrelevant his words his words, not mine.
So wow there you go, we started to dabble in areas we probably shouldn't and senior bob, i think, is quite right. Now let's get on to the main topic of conversation for today, which is the much talked about we've run. Various stories on it's coming, it's, coming and – and this is what's going to have the great wall canon and our very own chesto – has written a news update on this vehicle, it's a dual cab use and he contends that it could be a game changer. Because of what it's offering and potentially how it's going to be priced, we we know it's not going to be called canon in this market. Chesto tells us that it's going to be called the gwm ute, but then m4 you have been driving a heck of a lot of utes recently. Where do you see this one plugging into the landscape that very competitive field? If, if they stay true to the mentality of great wall motors in australia, this will be a budget player and it will likely um be up against the the likes of the ldv, t60 uh and obviously the senior musso as well. But this um now it's funny, because i was looking at ldv t60 yesterday and the pricing that they're doing 4×4 turbo diesel automatic dual cab and 28 990 drive away if you're an abn holder. Now that is astoundingly cheap. But you know great wall has been selling utes in dual cab, guys for twenty thousand dollars drive away in australia for quite a while, now yeah – and so this is, you know this is sort of where we can expect.
Obviously this is a brand new. U you're! Gon na have to absorb some of the costs of development in the margins for the vehicle plus it's, going to have much more tech, it's going to have a new engine, it's going to have a lot more stuff. That people will want um, and i expect that you will still see it playing in that sub 30 area for the the base grades. But as we've seen with a lot of utes, um they're realizing the or the brands are realizing, they can charge more. Quick people will pay it. If you've got the the equipment and the look, then people will buy the value. Is there yeah? So i i you know, he's saying that um there's going to be the entry level canon model and then so it's not called the canon. But again a variant or a trim level called canon. So yeah. The tiers of the range are canon canon, l and canon x, so that's that's an interesting strategy because obviously they've seen a lot of interest in this great wall cannon name plate, um we've seen huge results from it from our stories that we've done on it and It makes perfect sense that you know they would try and embrace what we've already put in place for them. The other options were the power or power which is uh power. Without the uw you're all right, then yeah. It sounds like you're having a stroke, yeah it's, not a good it's, not a good one um but yeah, so the gwm ute in three different trim grades.
I think the top spec is gon na, probably still tickle the sub 40k uh price point. Well. Ches chesto reckons that every grade will have a nine inch, touchscreen apple, carplay and android auto, while some will get an extendable ladder that's designed to make getting up into the tray uh a breeze. I don't is that an accessory that you've come across much in recent times, it's not offered it's not offered on any of the local uh midsize utes that we get, but you can get it in bigger vehicles in america and so on. Um yeah the tailgate mounted ladder thing that helps you get in and out, which is a really good thing, because these are just getting taller and taller um. As my dad says, my dad's five foot – five um and he's always gone for a low riding ute, but there's hardly any low riding utes left now, so he generally drops them on their guts and yeah bags. In them the whole bit yeah slam, dog, yeah, she's, got low riding for sure um, but yeah. The democratization of um. The technology across model ranges is, is not new uh it's, not necessarily special. To the likes of great wool. I mean you can now get an eight inch touchscreen with apple carplay and android, auto in every hilux, from 22, 000 up so it's more the unknowns around the safety credentials of this vehicle. That are the real thing that sticks in my mind, we've seen such big steps in the dual cab ute market when it comes to safety, tech in the likes of the new d max and bt 50 with you know, front center airbag, with uh all speed, aeb Pedestrian and cyclist detection rear cross traffic blind spot monitoring a lane turn assist thing that will stop you from turning in front of traffic that's coming the other way there's this.
This part of the market is probably the most interesting to watch in terms of safety stuff. So i do hope that great wall comes with a solid safety offering because commercial vehicles, too often in the past uh in the budget arena, have been left to just go. Oh well, they're just they're, just vans they're, just it doesn't matter and given it's a new design. It really needs to have it otherwise, because some of the most important safety stuff isn't something you can add later yeah a fundamental element of the the structure of the vehicle from the beginning. You know to get it right. I was going to say: um chester is also putting it out there that the engine that will be the primary engine anyway will be a two liter turbo diesel um expected to produce 120 kilowatts, 450 newton meters, eight speed, auto or a six speed manual and all Wheel, drive and it's 5.4 meters long, so it is, it is a big big truck yeah it'll have allegedly a thousand kg payload and be able to tow three tons. So so it's got some pretty good on paper. Specs the safety unknowns aside that that's some pretty hard working statistics right there yeah can we have a wheelbase figure, uh hold on no, no, no, no, no we've got length. Width 1.9, a bit above and just under one point, nine high little bit easier from a towing point of view: the wheelbase yeah, of course, yeah.
It is a big vehicle, though, like 5.4 meters long means it's longer than a hilux longer than a bt50 longer than a d max and just a little bit shorter than a ranger. And the range is a big boy in the segment, so um yeah it's uh. The wheelbase is crucial, obviously, and obviously the towing capacity of a claimed minimum of 3000 kilos, which is not benchmark, but it is decent on that um and uh. You know there is there's all sorts of arguments about whether the um, the 3.5 tonne towing capacity in dual cab utes, is actually that realistic or not um, so especially with drum brakes at the back in some instances. So you know it's it's, i can't wait like i, i love utes and i've i've, obviously been spending lots of time in them. I'M. Actually, i can't afford not to love utes yeah i'm, actually looking forward to not driving you for a little while, but that's a different story: yeah yeah, yeah cool. Can i just clarify. Yeah chester's story suggested that this car is going to be named the great wall. Gwm cannon, then you know way into the dark webmail. I know you've already discovered one. I did tell you that via a lift rather than an atm, but it sounds close now, we'll leave it there and we invite people's thoughts on the worth or otherwise. Of this newcomer yet to arrive, but before the end of the year we should be seeing it um.
Would you would it be on your shopping list? Would you consider it at that more um, you know economical end of the ute market. Tell us what you think about that: the great wall have you experienced how pretty good the ldv 260 is yeah yeah, yeah that'd be good too. Yes, now we'll move on to our own garage mal you're sitting in yours quite obviously, and i think we'll kick it off with you, because it's not a new vehicle or vehicles, but the flynn fleet um, has been expanding in recent times. Fill us in well uh. So, as you said before, i've been away for 12 weeks, so i haven't really driven many new cars, but that has given me the opportunity minor opportunity given i've been playing dad for most of it to play with my own cards. Finally and um. So i know that uh i'm led to believe there's been some discussion about the yellow one behind me in previous podcasts. So here it is um, but i just wanted to address uh was it ian thomas, a few weeks ago who was accusing me of parking in an ev spot? Yes, i wasn't parking in every spot. That photo was actually taken. 10 minutes after i bought the car. In adelaide at the front of the mitsubishi headquarters, this is how i spend my saturdays, but the significance of it is that ev charging point was famously installed when in 2009, when they launched the imei, so it'd be one of the first public charge stations in australia.
Anyway, party time um, so it wasn't actually parked there but uh yeah. So anyway, my corolla i've been driving. It and i've managed to get all four of my old cars registered. Finally, during this break so big load off my shoulders and i've added another one to the fleet over my left, shoulder, which is a 116 w116 mercedes 280s, which i've wanted for a very long time just trying to keep up with james. Of course, um and interestingly, you dream it you're dreaming, mate, i'm working on it, and so, of course, they've got the mx, 5 and eh as well, but uh. Interestingly, these two cars – this is a 1974. This is a 1973 when they were new. This was one of the cheapest cars on the market. This one was one of the most expensive, but right now they they're selling from very similar numbers right isn't that interesting wow, yeah that's interesting. But i mean the whole interest. Slash obsession um with early uh, japanese cars um absolutely underpins that it's, so strong yeah and a lot of it's led by scarcity uh, because you know when they were new, they were just just appliances: disposable people disposed of them when they finished you thinking so there's. A you know: there's nostalgia paired with scarcity and it's driving the prices up and uh yeah i'm. Very glad to have one and uh she's got the most beautiful thing on the road condition wise, but that that's really cathartic because it's what you want you don't have to worry about bird droppings and polishing it and stone chips and kids, scratching and uh that's.
You know beautifully engineered old toyota, really easy. You know shift and clutch uh actuations and bulletproof engine and it's. Just nice thing to you know putter about him, but um that's. A very good point. Now, look in one of the biggest surprises of the year, matt you've been driving a ute, yes and it's um tell us about this particular one. You know i actually had someone ask me the other day. Do you actually review anything other than yoots now and i sort of thought it's been a while um? No, the um, the mazda bt50 is what i've been driving uh in most recent times, um in a few different trim levels, the gt top spec uh, which you no doubt will have seen in our comparison test against the ford ranger wild track and the isuzu d. Max x terrain, it performed admirably it's a it's, a pretty competent vehicle, a little bit expensive, um the gt spec for for what you get, because it misses things like there's, no sports bar you don't get the tub liner. You don't get a tow bar like you. Do in some high spec ranges so it's. You know 60 grand and you're sort of going that's that's a bit rich um, but there are some really redeeming features of it. I like what they've done with the design, i think it's a quite a charming looking vehicle. Maybe not um, muscular or masculine, but it is it's great to have a like a beautiful option in that class, like not everyone's, trying to build a monster truck yeah.
You know, if you're after something that isn't as aggressive, that you can now get something that that is just good looking in the end at least and i'm, not sure whether um the x terrain and wild track styling packages that you can get on those models would Necessarily do the bt 50 any favors um, and i think the the fact that they've actually gone with no sports bar at the back does add to the appeal of it. Um it is yeah. It looks one thing it's much more useful as a ute without one yeah looks on one thing, but you know the um. The performance is a different thing, it's, a d max underneath um, and so it lives up to pretty much everything. We'Ve come to expect from the the d max um. In that way you could say i just say i i hate those sports bars because they're generally full of drunk blokes just watching american football. I find it overboard to engage you're playing shuffleboard or something like that. So matt good on nazda for getting rid of the sports bar yeah good on you so bt50. Despite what some other people are saying, it does have some interior differentiators compared to d max and you if you've watched any of the bt 50 videos that i've done you'll know that it really annoys me that they've taken away the pop out cup holders on the Edges of the dashboard that you get in the d max, because the d max's center cup holders are more like what you put a protein shake in.
You know they are they're, they're large they're, for a bottle, not a cup you've been bulking up for years. Look out the new d max still has the outboard cup holders on the dash, yes, but the bt50 doesn't, because it's got a different dash design. Now the thing is the: if you get a normal sized coffee, not a venti or whatever you get from starbucks. If you get a normal sized coffee, it it doesn't fit properly in the central cup holders, that's a like. If you've ever been for a drive early in the morning, and you just you need a coffee to get you going and you don't have anywhere. To put it that is annoying, but that's a that's. If that's my biggest criticism, the ut's pretty good right, i've, also been in the xt grade, which is the lowest of the grades that we've got currently only the dual cabs were available at launch, so we've still got cab, chassis and freestyle cab, single cab as well. To to cover off in the future, but xt grade it's, you know pretty nice the fact that it comes with color, coded bumpers and um mirrors and alloys rather than steel, wheels sets it apart in the market um, it looks more expensive than a lot of its Rivals do at that level and i mean even um, you know sr models of the hilux used to not have alloy wheels and have black bumpers. So the the the brand has gone for a more premium tilt at the market and i think um they will do what they expect.
They expect to do about seven or eight percent of the dual cab market – okay, uh and about i think, that's 12 to 1400 units per month. Right and i think they'll do it so a clearly defined niche and they're they're clear in terms of what they want to extract in terms of profitability, rather than going for a big mass volume play into that market. Okay, yeah yeah back to the the visual distinction. You know the unique design alternative, um they've done that before and you remember back in 2011, it was um, certainly a lot more polarizing to look at absolutely yeah less polarizing this time around. Definitely all right now, i'll, thank you for that matt and mel i'll. Just finish off with the car that i've been driving this week, um, which is the fiesta st current fiesta, ford, uh, ford, fiesta, st so 31, nearly 32 000 before you put it on the road. This time round, it's the 1.5 litre turbo petrol triple um; 147. Kilowatts from that engine, uh 290 newton meters, this one's six speed manual front wheel, drive now the lofty earlier on reference. The last generation st and i got ta say i've always been a huge fan of that car because for mine, it's it's the very sensible in fun car choice. You can have heaps of fun in that car at legal speeds in town wherever it. It is just a beautiful, beautiful car this one.
Similarly quick and agile in the plus column, i've got quick and agile. The gear shift and clutch are just so much fun to use it's it's superb in that regard, nimble steering the recaro seats are great there's. Quite a lot of safety packed in the car and the sync connectivity worked beautifully. The whole thing was very easy to use. Then, on the on the not minuses i found the brakes a bit stabby, you know they they weren't quite as progressive as you'd like them. To be, you had to really grease them on to get a smooth application, particularly around town, bigger, pardon, particularly around town that's, right, yes, and when you do um indulge yourself and use a few more revs. There is a fair bit of talks to you there. The car does want to kind of wander its way up. The road which i didn't expect the ride is a bit jittery and that's the price you pay, if you're buying into this proposition that's what you're going to get but it's there nonetheless, and it has a monumental turning circle, it is it's obviously got to do with The geometry or the gearing of the steering to make it respond so nicely, but you've really got to plan your? U turns because it turns like a limo for a tiny car, yeah yeah yeah um, but have a decent wheelbase these days, but um. All that said uh i love it. I think it's a worthy successor to to what was such a great st um it's it's, a terrific package yeah and our five door as well.
So it's got the practicality element covered as well um the the thing i because i've driven focus st fiesta st. When i drove the focus st i just kept thinking there's no way i would buy this over the years. So if you're in that market be sure to test drive both but you'll make sure james did you find the steering wheel large, you know no. Actually, while i was driving it, i thought it was lovely um. So i i didn't have that thought um, but probably next time i get into it. I think god. This is a big steering wheel, but no and i thought there's, no current gear position indicator. So what i mean by that is there's on the screen. It shows you when it's like you need to shift up or you need to shift down or whatever yeah um, but it doesn't stay on the screen and that's really annoying at times, because you're like i need to know what gear i'm in so i can attack This next corner that's a very good point. It does prompt you on on which gear it thinks you should be going for more more often than not about economy. Yes, but yeah you're right, there's, no blasting around with your subwoofer going matt. You can't hear the engine exactly as you tend to do now: um blasting around not hearing what you're doing it's time for musk watch the first. The first piece of elon musk news is that, according to a reddit uh poster you software saw and starlink.
Australia is about to come out of stealth mode because it's got a carrier license. So all of those little satellites up there are potentially going to be accessible to australian consumers sooner rather than later. So. A week ago, spacex changed the name of its australian subsidiary from tiboro australia, which is orbit backwards, get it what a great joke: tibro australia to starlink, australia, proprietary limited, and so this is a series of events that has played out in other markets in canada and Elsewhere, tibro has changed to starlink and they've started to get seriously into the market, so we've had for people watching and listening from other parts of the world. Australia has had a fairly turgid, uh kind of online life, where the federal government has had a thing called. The national broadband network, which was a political football for a long time and has proved somewhat problematic in application, so various people looking at this story were saying well, it could just be a way around the nbn that you've got these satellites up in the sky and All of a sudden subscribing to that's going to be a very attractive option, and so is 5g though so uh yeah don't don't get my neighbor started on 5g she's, one of the believers, oh god all right. Okay, well, let's, move on the the other news. According to variety – and we don't often uh quote that entertainment title, but hbo is developing a limited series about spacex the space exploration company founded by elon musk.
Now this is to quote variety. The six episode series spacex will be based on the book: elon musk, tesla spacex and the quest for a fantastic future by ashley vance. So i wasn't aware of that book, but people on youtube will be able to see a picture of its cover as we speak now. This is where we were talking earlier. Is it a documentary? Is it drama? What is it this may tell part of the story? It will document how musk, in pursuit of his lifelong dream, to make humankind a multi planetary species, hand, picks a team of engineers to work on a remote pacific island where they build and launch the first space x rocket into orbit. So i think the pacific island thing i'm, not sure that's real, that that may be a fictionalization or a dramatization anyway. You'Ve got that to look forward to and it's going to be produced by channing uh tatum um yeah. Look, he might he might end up. You know putting himself into the action there, but i've got no idea, it's worth pointing, oh god that musk is not attached to the show in any way he's it's, not his initiative. It'S on the surface, it sounds to me like and i've likened uh musk to howard hughes many times before, but it sounds like he's reading. You know the latest chapter of how to be howard, hughes, given he went all hollywood on us. Imagine if um channing tatum was playing elon musk yeah.
I think the slow, the slow disrobing as he kind of blasts off from this, because brad pitt wasn't available. You know i would. I would have thought tom cruise would be a better fit oh yeah. Well, maybe they could each play him at different stages of his life um. Now the um, the last thing in musk watch uh, look it's a really great meme starter. It was like a catalyst for a meme that elon just put out there on the twitters, and he said: okay, what is love baby don't hurt me winston churchill, so he was. He was alleging that winston churchill had made that claim brilliant away clip from too long ago that that you can't get out of your head once you hear it, it sticks with you for a couple of weeks. So then, chad, abram hun, came back with his own and said america is all about speed, hot nasty, badass, speed, eleanor roosevelt Laughter and then corey said she got a big booty. So i call her ms big booty, socrates, or, as bill and ted, would say so crates. Um now i mean you've got to say that again aren't they they are yeah, but then another user called chat, but not says racism, bad albert einstein. After writing, the bible and then alexander, says tesla will dominate the automotive industry, aristotle and sabah trivedi says wow, mahatma gandhi, Laughter, glitch 3d says the proletarians have nothing to lose, but their chains, kim, kardashian and and in in all of these there was one genuine winston Churchill quote, which i thought was amazing, and a lot of listeners and viewers will probably know it, but i wasn't familiar with it it's from mushahid hussein that says, if you're going through hell, keep going and uh what a what a fantastic quote.
That is so. Then we move to the tesla share price. Now: it's 446.65. It was 425 and 92 cents last week, so it's not really going anywhere. It'S vacillating in this band between about 415 and 450 it's been that way for the last couple of weeks and the motley fool says: forget: tesla there's, another ev maker called new technologies that has far greater growth potential. Now motley fool says: with tesla already at a market value of 400 billion dollars, there are likely better places for investors if they're. Looking for big gains, you know where's, the big leap going to come from this company is chinese, founded in 2014, seven products and growing and they're scooters. So there are electric scooters and small motorcycles. They'Ve got really they've got mega sales in china, solid profits, they're currently worth about two billion and motley fool, theorizes that the stock could rapidly double or triple from here in the short term. So put it this way. Uh a share was seven dollars in april and it's currently 27.37. So they're saying if you want an eevee, uh, techy style stock, that's the one to go for it's on the nasdaq and it's nasdaq niu. So there you go there's our you know, tip tip for you and with that we have reached the finish line and i want to say thank you matt, thank you and thank you mel, thank you and thanks to our digital distribution, optimizer director of life, enrichment and Bacon critic in residence, mr pritchard, for his unwavering skill with headphones on and mouse in hand.
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