Many of you will be familiar with the one and only dave morley one and only yeah. My mum will be pleased uh this week, we're looking at new cars, making their mark and proving there's still room to grow in the hyper competitive aussie market. We'Ll cover off three recent entrants to the cars guy garage and we'll check in on an even richer tech billionaire who likes playing with fire in this week's musk watch so stay with us, but first of all, we're going to look at a story that created quite A lot of buzz in our news section through the week, authored by our own stephen ottley, and it was looking at new cars that have made their mark in the australian new car market. Despite the fact that we've all been thinking how much more competitive. How many more you know, models can start diving in he's identified several that have done just that and create carved out a pretty strong niche for themselves, and we should talk about that. We'Ve had a lot of arrivals this year, obviously from highluxers to defenders to you name it, but there seem to be this set. That has really got people's interest and the first one is the kia celtos mel. I know we've had a lot of um touring and throwing around recommending cell toss for particular customers. What what's your what's your take on on this car so far in the aussie market, uh. If we go we're going model by model or the whole yeah yeah, i think so.
Okay uh celtos was clearly a gaping hole in the care liner. They had the sportage as their smallest for a long time and pretty much everyone else, including toyota, had managed to launch a small suv beforehand, uh, so it you know: it's it's, it's, a big uh answer to an even bigger question um. But the thing is the – and this applies to all these models in this list – that it's it's quite an achievement to achieve sales success early on with new nameplates these days, yeah and you know – requires significant marketing input uh and we can see from our own traffic That you know if a new model's launched you know, consumer interest starts off very slow and only sort of builds as time goes on, whereas you know they launch new rav4 there's, all the people already looking at the old rav4 that sort of discover the new one And just sort of continues over so uh i don't know. Does that answer your question. James it's, a good guy, oh very good, car in terms of the name, i've always thought it sounded like an antacid tablet. You know that um, if you're suffering from an upset stomach, just take a kiss off well they're about to launch the stomach beneath it. No, that sounds a little even more like it. That sounds more like that sounds like an ointment: that's, some kind of cream or an ointment actually but uh. I think it'll be an appointment for their uh, even smaller suv, uh lineup anyway dave have you had an opportunity to steer a cell toss at this point.
No, i haven't um i'm reminded of um my uncle, who used to sit on a special medical board, but now he just uses the ointment. When you talk about this Laughter, look it's it's going to be a good car there's, no two ways about that. Those guys don't make cars um more, certainly not in the last. You know couple of decades it's amazing how many of those south korean brands! I now recommend to people or models that i now recommend to people, because you just can't go past the warranty. You know for people who for people who are attracted to that sort of car, and my neighbor is a classic example. Right. They'Ve now got um who keys in the driveway because there's there are no brain damaged car. You know they're not into their cars transport. The thing had everything they needed as a as a mode of transport and it had a seven year warranty. You know yeah yeah. How do you go past? That yeah? I think i think also the level of safety um in this car is is pretty impressive in its part of the market and its size, the ml you're right. It was a gaping hole for some time, but it really uh plugged that very effectively um. I like the way it uh it's another sort of player in this smaller end, but still is shaped like an suv and delivers. The practicality benefits that a lot of people find appealing in an suv, it's yeah it's, not another like the kona is you know, hyundai small issue actually next to the venue it's it's, their not so quite small suv.
Yeah is not bad for for passenger space, but the boot space is kind of abbreviated by that tight rear end and the celtos just goes now. Let'S just make an suv with a big boot and it started to give the asx a bit of a you know, hard time which is yeah overdue. You know the asx has had such an open playing field for so long. They struck it lucky with the shape didn't. They like we've, heard it many times, but by god they struck me lucky a decade ago, yeah the size and shape of that car. I think we've identified that some of the like the base grades there's a lot of the hard kind of plastic in the in the thing, but that goes with the territory you you're in that part of the market, but look another one that uh it for what It'S, i think the cheapest version is still lacking. Some safety, stuff, yep, okay, yeah good call these two, so sorry that's all right. Another one that um for what it's worth surprised me is the cx 30 mazda, because i thought mazda had really kind of got its different models, meshing together quite nicely, and then cars like the cx 8 and the cx 30 arrived to create even more choice in There, but lo and behold, the cx 30 has proved to be extremely popular yeah and i think that uh they're wise to fill these gaps and sort of create a like a complete spectrum of options, because we know that most buyers are still in that stage of Going my next car is going to be an suv.
No one thinks my next cars can be a mid sized issue or a large suv. They might have an suv and then, when they start looking, they work out what size is right for them. Yeah – and you know, the cx3 was so much smaller than the cx 5, so cx30 makes a lot of sense, yeah and not the most issue. Anyway. Please identify that it's sitting just behind the kia. Seven thousand sales. Nine point: two percent uh market share, so that's a pretty pretty good effort and i suppose, while we've watched, mazda 3 soften off, you know a long term. Favorite it's cars like the cx 30 that have started to join the cx 5 and this migration over to to get more suvs all right now, the another one. Here we are we're in korea, yet again hyundai venue um, you know, while the kona is the second best selling small suv, um it's, taken a while for people to warm up to to the venue um, but it's it's still found more than 3 000 buyers who, Like that affordability factor it's giving hyundai something to play with at that more budget focused end of the suv market. Sorry i was just going to say. I think that the price is is the is the key with that thing there's. So many people who want an suv but can't afford a bigger one uh that that thing it seems to to me on paper to offer what it needs to it's going to fill the bill it's going to do what it says on the box, and you can Sort of presume that, with that brand yeah and yet it's it's, very accessible uh from from a price point of view, so that's obviously going to make a lot of difference to a lot of people who possibly wouldn't even be looking for a new car other than The fact that the neighbors have got an suv, we better get an suv yeah exactly and look just purely on a subjective level.
I find it an attractive design, it's appealing. I think it would have a lot of showroom appeal when you walk in you think that's a snazzy. Looking little you know, city sized jet could cope with a small family type suv. I think i think it's got that going for us too and when it launched, you know the fact that it replaced the accent as the entry model in the hyundai range. You know, i think a lot of us went. Oh hang on. Is that the right idea, but subsequent to that all the traditional, i think all the traditional uh light hatchbacks like the swift and the yaris and the mazda 2 have become much more expensive and you can get a kona cheaper than you? Can you know pretty much any of those hatches these days so given it represents the size and shape of vehicle that people aspire to uh? It makes a lot of sense very good, now uh, what you're talking about with where the little suv is replacing the conventional hatch. You know like the only fiesta you can buy now. We'Re going to talk about this later is the st there's. No other fiestas! You! You then need to go to a to a little a ford suv if that's, what you want you're in the, if you want a little hatchback you're in the wrong showroom, no, the yaris are falling on that. However, the yaris cross promises to be.
You know quite a quite a good seller uh, certainly on current projections, so you know that that whole uh, embracing of the suv thing just, is not stopping it's. Just such a such a juggernaut, isn't it yeah true it'll, give you a puma instead of a regular fiesta. They'Ll give you one stop that that is. That is quite a deal. If you they'll give you one, i suppose, whenever you die, whenever you darken a showroom door, they're all kind of shaking in their boots anyway and just hand the car over. Thank you for addressing that misstep there jones yes, but um. What i was going to say. We'Ve got a couple more to to cover um stephen ottley also called out the volkswagen t cross. So all of a sudden it's t rock t cross there's a lot of teas uh swinging um around volkswagen and when you think about its more traditional lineup like polo and golf and passat here once again come these suvs to satisfy that demand. And volkswagen has been a little short in that department as well and they've come back uh roaring with a vengeance, yeah um. Similarly, with skoda uh, although they're not covered in the story, the with the carrock with still finding its feet and now the chemic, which seems to be a really good option in this uh, lower end of the suv class. Yes, yeah. Look the other thing i was going to say too.
You mentioned the um yaris and then yaris cross. I not, for the first time, quite obviously felt a bit stupid in kind of scratching my head about the price of the yaris when it landed, because it had jumped up so much in terms of its entry pricing. But then yeah. Of course, as soon as the garis cross arrived, it starts to make a little more sense in terms of a whole of market approach, but the the the t cross uh, i think again, i'm shows how superficial i am, but i think it's, a good looking car Uh again in in this part of the market – and it takes on you, know things like the cx 3 and so far, it's got uh what's dave reckoned, almost 2 000 sales uh. It only hit showrooms in may so. It'S got 8.9 market share, which um bodes pretty well for its chances next year and volkswagen's. Sorry, you go. I was just, i think you, i think, you're selling yourself a bit short calling yourself from you, know: uh um, well, criticizing the fact that you think it looks good as as a reason for buying. I mean that surely that's a major reason for buying it. I don't think i don't see that as um, you know being shallow at all and i should know i'm deeply shallow. I think i think that you know that is such an important thing and those and those those vaults that current generation of volkswagen does really look sharp yeah it does.
It does now packaged we're going to step up for our final uh vehicle to uh. Discuss in this little segment to a giant scale, this is uh immense. This car and i do recall driving it when it had been first launched and thinking uh. How on earth can you justify this much metal and rubber and glass and then driving it for a week and thinking oh, but it's so nice to drive like it? It really is a very pleasant thing to get around in, but it's enormous and that's. The bmw x7 so it's, the upper large suv you've got pricing beginning at about 130k and it's, comparing with things like a gls, merc um, probably a range rover, the lx lexus audi q8, all of those big bertha, typically euro or japanese in the lexus's case, suvs. But it is one of those things where you look at it dispassionately and go that's obscene. You know how, how can you, how can you and then you drive and go god? It is really nice to get around it and they've clearly put a lot of effort into it with the the third row accommodation and it it's quite a luxurious experience, even on massive wheels, which often is not the case um yeah. It was also the start of the humongous grill uh trend. It was the one that really started to get serious in terms of making a huge grill in the nose of the bmw.
Okay, a couple of things that grill is ridiculous. I'M. Sorry, no engine needs that much air and if it does, it should be a jet and it's, probably shuttered, most of the time anyway, yeah yeah it did. I haven't driven the x7, but look i i could never. I could i don't think i'd ever be able to get around the fact that i was feeling like i was delivering bodies to a more yes, you think there's, some curtains across the rear window criminally ugly seriously. Yeah and that's look that's my personal view, but i couldn't buy it purely on that, and i guess i guess i'm coming back to that. That previous point, i just couldn't do it because it doesn't look like something i want to be associated with, but i suppose each of those cars just do go to that point. That says, just when you think um, the house is full there's room for five or six more yeah. You know that we're continually digging up this market into ever smaller niches, and these are good examples of that. Well, that's true, and i was just about to say you know here we are talking about the the initialification of the car market yet again and and more so this time, uh it's an ongoing thing, we've been talking about this for years now and it hasn't stopped. But it on on one level it doesn't surprise me, i mean you guys: uh have been into uh an optometrist.
Now two walls of the entire shop will be covered in in different glasses. They all do fundamentally the same thing depending on what lens you put in them, but you know: look at the choice. Have you been into a fishing shop lately of lures brightly, colored plastic walls? Some of them will have one pink dot to differentiate it from the one next another one, hundreds of them. There is no limit to what the choices people will will accept. You know yes, yes, this story is all about cars that are actually achieving sales. Success, though so it's proving us all wrong, yeah yeah – and i think one thing to consider is when you're talking about a car it's, a large elaborate. You know heavily engineered object and for a car manufacturer to make the decision to put a new model into market with everything that goes with it: pre and post sale in terms of the paths. The service training this the all of that it's, a big investment and you've, got to be sure that it's it's going to pay off as a strategy. You know all right now, we will leave it there and what we would love people to do is give us your thoughts on each of those cars that steve watley's called out. Let us know if you think they're worthy and whether you've been considering them, whether you may have bought one that'd, be interesting, but we'll move on to cars that we have in fact been driving in the recent past and dave.
I would like to start with you: if that's, okay and you've nominated, you know a favorite amongst us. Please fill us in on what you've been steering lately well because of covet and i'm in victoria we haven't been able to get out a whole lot and a lot of the car dealerships have been closed and the people that prepare test cars haven't been operating. So i haven't driven a lot of cars in the last few months, but i did manage to snare a week in a fiesta, st and um wow. Whatever, what a great little car i mean, it's it's it's the antithesis of what we've just been talking about where things are getting jacked up and plastic wheeler flares and you know 10 grand on the price. This thing, uh, is all about going quickly in a small package but it's just such an entertaining car too it's such a charming, charming liquor. I mean i've always said that um when something is more than the sum of its parts. Uh that's my definition of art right there yeah i'm, not sure that the artists would agree with me, but they can get a real job um. I i really love that little car. I i particularly like it because they've stayed true to the to the ethos of the original one which which remains one of my all time, favorite cars over the last 10 years. I don't know about you dave, but i i operate on a threshold and i think the fiesta st is the tipping point in terms of.
If you want a sporty rewarding involving drive, you don't have to really go further than a fiesta st. You know any anything more you're spending in terms of money or many any more horsepower that you're putting through the wheels down to the road in the particularly the urban environment we live in the fiesta. St is a car. You can have fun in from one set of traffic lights to the next. You know: it's, just a really nice fun car to drive and now it's a five door, hatch, so yeah. Exactly exactly so emotion. Take emotion takes over even more once you get beyond the fiesta st. If you know what i mean yeah yeah, i think my metric for this um comes down. To could could a good driver in a fiesta st beat a bad driver in a lamborghini event? Okay, good idea and they can yeah yeah yeah um, so so that i think you know once you once you get to that level of performance. Do you need much more? The other thing, of course, in australia, because we've been brainwashed by the americans for so long about what is and what isn't a performance car i mean. Let'S, not forget. The americans believe that corvette is a sports car, um, we've, we've missed them to all our american viewers. We'Ve missed the boat for so long on hot hatches, yeah europe's known about it uh, but it's been a bit of a bit of a well tightly held secret.
Here but now people are getting the hang of it. The cars are becoming much more accessible, financially yeah they're coming in, because we were just you know. I mean we're at uh, low 30k uh, like thirty two or thousand dollars for an issue exactly so that car for that money, that that amount of performance for that money, you you just can't, buy more fun for 30 grand i don't think, and the other thing Is like we all we're all accustomed to the second iteration of a of a magical car being ruined they've done anything, but with this one, the difficult the difficult second album, yeah yeah, well you're right! This one is a good, a very good follow up. However, i just i don't know there's something about the it's, a slightly more pure experience, it's splitting hairs, but um i i probably uh, was a little more enamored of it's predecessor than this one, but it's a very close run thing i tend to agree. I tend to agree, i think i mean intellectually. I know that the three cylinder has its merits. Um and – and it does – i mean you know as a motorcycle rider. I i really understand three cylinder engines and i love them. However, i think for a little hatch, the just the four cylinders just seems to sit a bit better for me. Um, it was a. It was a three door, not a five door, a car that size i'm, not gon na put people in the back.
You know the only thing i'm going to put the only thing i'm going to put in the backseat of one of those is my helmet and race boots. You know on my way to the track um, so the i think the reco i like the recaros in the in the first one a little bit better if the manual shift was just so sweet yeah exactly so it felt like. I was a little bit more touched with it. You know yep yep, the only thing you need to do something with the wheels and the paint to make it look something other than barbie's. First hot hatch, you know i mean they did look a little yeah. You know for a bloke who looks like me: um yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's that's, your nickname around the place, a series, one fiesta st in in a few years time. I will buy one yeah good one um now. Thank you very much for that dave and mal. We will move on to your good self. You have been in a tough vehicle, uh that's. What uh land rover would have us believe. Tell us about your thoughts on the defender yeah. So i think it launched several months ago, but i only finally just had a chance to experience it for myself uh we had crafty at the launch. When was it ages ago, anyway, uh dale's actually conducted a test of the defender, and i uh i sort of borrowed it for a little bit when she was finished with it and uh.
So we had the the p500se, which is the petrol straight six model, with the top drivetrain sc being the middle uh middle trim, level, uh and even still it's, 102 000 dollars right and on road costs, so not very cheap um. So this is the 110 as well, so along your base, not the 90 short base, that's coming yeah. I think the car has a good sense of theatre about it, both inside and out um that put a lot of work in the design um. Even though it's it's, you know, it's really just a discovery under the skin, but i think it feels more land rover than the discovery i think discovery sort of is more it's sort of evolved into more of a range rover. Yes, was i calling it discovery? I meant to say defender did i did i get that no, it is defender, but under this very good no – and i mean, is it too luxurious? Is it? Is it? Is it too kind of citified and, and i mean it's a bit of a chalk and cheese transition isn't it because the last one was was not rudimentary, but it was pretty straightforward. This one's a lot more luxo yeah, but imagine if they launched anything closer to what the original was in terms of uh. You know being rudimentary uh like they crucified. I mean look at the wrangler. The wrangler is so true to what a wrangler is right, like they've, really just from the word, go made the best wrangler they can, but in deciding to give it a folding windscreen removable doors, it can never compete with other cars on a safety front uh and With the solid front axle which is just yeah so romantic, it will never compete with a decent, uh, independent front axle in terms of just general dynamics and livability, even though it's really good for what it is.
It'S. A great point you make about safety, because that really was a large part of the death kneel of of the prior defender um with safety trying to make that thing comply um within current regulations. It was a bridge too, and the fact that it was sorry that and the fact that it was fundamentally a handmade car and the the labor input costs were just horrendous yeah. They could never, they could never modify it to, for you know proper series production, because it was this old dunga that they've been building in a back shed with two blokes exactly but it's amazing how much they had modernized it, but like yeah, they couldn't do it To the same level as a 70 series land cruiser now you've got to go off and buy your ineos isn't. It isn't that what it's called yes, i think it is yeah or or the bowler or the bowler. Well talk about hand built. I mean they certainly are uh anyway, so the car i don't think is perfect uh. I think the interior design's really impressive and really specific to the defender uh but annoyingly. Have you driven it dave yeah? No, i haven't! No, okay, sorry! Another thing you have followed james – i have not anyway well for your benefits, uh the move, the drive mode buttons up onto the dash next to the selector, which thankfully, is a proper selector, not a not a rotary dial but they're all uh backlit only they're, not Actually labeled, so in direct sunlight, they just look like a sea of blank buttons.
You can't tell what you're pushing yeah um, which is fine normally, but in direct sunlight it's, a bit of a compromise uh. What else it feels a bit bizarre that it's a petrol engine under such a big suv these days, but you know with diesel uh being a bit on the nose, uh and ultimately uh, not quite as clean as petrol uh. It makes sense and look you know the ingenium straight six manages a 9.9 liter uh official combined fuel figure, which is not right for a 9.9 boxy vehicle. I didn't get the chance to run my own numbers and i look forward to, but you know, it's a smooth engine and it's got plenty of poke, but i think the engine calibration is quite heavily uh calibrated towards delivering that on paper efficiency, it's, quite doughy off Uh from idle uh, even in s mode and that sort of adds to the the sense of bulkiness to the car. It is a big car, but it sort of feels a bit lumbering um. I hope that's fixed when in the off road modes. But if you didn't get the check to didn't, get the chance to take it off road, but if you're poodling around in a city, that's sort of it's a bit bit lumbering, even though it's the petrol um. The the other thing that uh some people might be surprised by is the the rear. Storage, uh area is quite small and i think that's largely because of the the short rear overhang, which is great for clearance and great for making it look like a defender but it's a big vehicle, but the cargo space isn't much more than what you'd expect and Say like a rav4, um and look, you know it's still plenty of room, but it will be limiting if you are looking to take it on extended uh touring trips through the outback, et cetera um, but yeah.
As i said, i think overall it's what it needs to be as a 2020 defender – and you know, i think, they'll sell more cars as a result. Yeah, i think it looks ultra cool. I really love what they've done with the design was it. That concept was called dc 100 or something you know best part of 10 years ago and that's where it was heading and it hasn't gone a million miles away. From that i know it's still, i think it looks really slick, yeah yeah. All right, sorry dave go ahead. Sorry, man, um mouse i'd love to know what it's like because, as you can see from my background photo i tend to use off road four wheel drives. As you know, nature intended um and one of the things has it got. Has it got a two speed? Transfer case so it's got low ratio gears, yes, yep uh and i don't mean this okay to short change. You or the listeners, but uh you'll find that yeah. Our very own mark is crafted through your town on big time through the blue mountains on its launch. So they they certainly don't, know there yeah, because one of the things that worried me about the um, the uh disco was, you could get it in two two variants: one which had a low range transfer case and one which had a single speed transfer case and The presumption was that you could still take the the lesser one off road and and the way it got around not having low ratio.
Gears was by having a reasonably low first gear in a multi speed, gearbox, um and then it, but then it slipped. The torque converter to provide a little bit more latitude for the engine to build some boost. Now i don't know how much you know about automatic gearboxes. But if you talk to a bloke who does he'll tell you that the first thing you want to do is reduce speed. You can never over cool an automatic transmission yeah by slipping the tall converter. You instantly start to create heat now. That might be fine for climbing mossy hill in scotland uh once a day but crossing crossing june after june over the simpson or up googs track in south australia, or something like that you're going to get that gearbox really damn hot and i just wonder how fit For purpose, some of that technology is yeah. Obviously i was going to say you know, i know all about automatics. Nobody knows more about automatics than me um. I know that uh d means drive, for example um yeah. If you want to. If you want to ask me anything about automatic transmissions i'm, you know i'm open uh. I thought it was a better way. Music, hey uh dave it. It strikes me that uh with the disco they've just sampled, the spec uh of that eight speed, auto that's fitted to the all wheel, drive amarok um. You know how it sort of had the same.
You know over overcoming them yeah that's, right yeah. It was short. First uh and yeah anyway, but it just doesn't, add up on paper. Does it unless it's got two right yeah? Maybe it does. I don't know i i haven't driven one over enough sand dunes to destroy it yet, but i got a feeling that uh, on a 40 degree ambient day, towing a camper trailer um things are going to get awful. If you start using that facility uh, i i always like to see a you know a two speed transfer case because you know but i'm also of of the generation that thinks a real four wheel. Drive has a minimum of two gear sticks, so you know yeah that's, very good, exactly but dave as we can see in the background you're. Clearly, someone who uses these things, probably in this area – and there are plenty of people wanting to do the same particularly this year – yeah funny that well i mean that car in the background that is actually my own car and um it's a non turbo diesel, so It'S it's injected it's slower than a long weekend in canberra, but the only uh, electronics in that vehicle are in the stereo and the cb absolutely analog mechanical it's got a snorkel, it will run underwater. I know this so for what i do you know i, like. I don't even want carpet, let alone let alone fuel injection, yeah, so um i get that you know you've i'm i'm in the in the one percentile at the other end of things.
But you know there is still a market for those cars. I think and yeah we're moving increasingly away from them. I mean to call to call something a defender, um that is as plush as the new defender to me: yeah um yeah, but i need to drive it so yeah, yeah good, call, good cool, all right, um i'll chip in with a car that um it does Have carpets, i must say um, it only has the one uh gear shift. I was slumming it this week in the rolls royce ghost and so that's an awesome that's, an all new car um and according to rolls royce. The only thing that carry over from the last ghost is the spirit of ecstasy emblem up on the nose and the umbrellas that slide into the doors. Everything else is new. The car's wider it's all wheel, drive it's four wheel, steer it's a six and a six and three quarter litre twin turbo v12 uh. Eight speed, auto so way back in its history that that v12 would have some bmw, uh dna in there. But uh rolls royce assures us. It now has a rolls royce part number 420, kilowatts, 850 newton meters at 1600, rpm uh, and this thing uh. It will accelerate from zero to 100 in 4.8 seconds. Despite the fact that it's two and a half tons uh, it is quite quite the car and it was a really bizarre circumstance in that it was a press product launch here.
You are experienced the car for an afternoon goodbye. Thank you. So four of us, four different uh ghosts were driving on the old pacific highway in new south wales, and when i was the fourth car you could see the ones coming. The other way and their look on their face was quite something to behold, because seeing one rolls royce, ghost is a bit of an experience and seeing four in a row is just ridiculous: the the thing about it. It is unbelievable in terms of its ride, comfort. It is everything that you would expect of that car it's active suspension, they call it. It'S like flight on land and i've got to say it is um. You are looking at the road in front of you and going. This is a dead ordinary road and it feels billiard table smooth is uncanny, really fantastic, um and it's on big 21s with huge pirelli p0s on it. At the same time, it's restrained, it's quiet. It is proper luxury like no mucking, around chrome over brass type luxury. You know thick carpet too isn't. It it's that all that stuff, it has a thing called effortless doors, so it's got electronic assistance for you, opening and shutting the doors which are clamshell kind of uh doors, and it it just is what you would expect and it's a car. They say you can be driven in or you might choose to drive yourself it's kind of flip of a coin, but it is a big beast.
You know, as i say, it's two and a half tons. It'S got a 13 meter turning circle, it's 5.5 meters. Long. The steering, but what they've done with the steering wheel and we'll, have some pictures up for people watching on youtube. It really is an echo of of wheels of rolls royce past it's beautiful the way they've done it, but the steering itself is quite numb. You know you you're not you're, not connected with what's going on with this car it's, not that type of vehicle um there it's more the type of vehicle where there are 850 leds in the fascia, giving you this sparkling star kind of effect. That kind of stuff stars and shooting stars in the roof. We were told that that a couple of blokes were sent around the world to measure raindrops so that they could have the water running off the the side, rail rain channels effectively. All of that pallava. So it's 628 000 as a starting point to get your backside into one of these, whether it's in the front or the back, and then the sky's. The limit, in terms of you know which kind of emu feathers you want to have on the headrests and all that kind of stuff. It was quite an experience to drive, but it delivers exactly what you would expect it to deliver. My question: hey good point like what did you say they called it flying on the flight ground flying or something flight on land right on land? Does that mean the food's crap and your luggage goes missing, that's right and if you get the center seat, that is the short straw but um there's, actually there's, actually a piece of concrete roadway coming off traveling north off the sydney harbour bridge.
That is a great test of suspension because it is so terrible it's, just almost like cobblestones, it's so badly. You know misaligned and angled, and what have you and a car that i've gone across that where it felt smooth was the bentley bull's arm? I had the opportunity to drive that once overnight and it was this same thing: unbelievable i'm. Looking at this piece of rubbish road and it i'm not feeling it. This car was like that even a little bit better. It was important ones impossible and on 21s and big fat pirellis on them as well has it got the uh. The cameras that face forward that read the road and then yes, so it's actually preemptive active suspension of that yeah. It is technology um and what i like about what you're telling me is that uh. This is a car that um it's trading on its heritage, but it's brought the right bits of that heritage into the 21st century. You know, whereas i i don't necessarily agree with the with a land rover defender with with plush trim um. I do get a rolls royce that uh runs on orphans, tears and destroys. You know i get it again. What could be better in the back? You'Ve got everything you'd expect fold down the door: oh there's, a couple of little champagne flutes there, and all that all that is there in abundance and not a fold down desk wood, trimmed. You know all of that stuff, it's uh it's! Quite, is there a spot for your flag? No, i doubt it uh.
I doubt it's an optional extra for sure, yeah, a goon receptacle, um, yeah, goodness you're, asking about flagging all right flag. If you want that, if you want that dave, it can be done in uh. You know kangaroo hide if you'd like that. Well, actually i went to a bentley launch uh some years ago and they were telling us about their uh individualization program and um. They wouldn't say no, they wouldn't agree to do it, but they wouldn't say no. When i asked that if you had a dead pet, could you have that into a steering, wheel or or or an armrest trim? Yeah didn't? They do it, they wouldn't say no yeah. So i hold out hope it gets into very delicate territory there, because when you do talk about the people that talk about that, you know that do the personalization some of the requests they they use words the effect of or we we try to encourage them. In a different direction and and alter and offer them different options such that the car doesn't get built, you know you've got it wrong when they want all the money up front because they know that if you don't take it away, we don't want that sucker in Stock that's right you're, gon na you're gon na have to pay for this up front too. If you want uh leopard print finish, make sure you wrap it post purchase rather than yeah making it so that's reverse and look bring the leopard in with you when you've got your deposit, because we need that as well.
So that's good. Thank you guys. What we'll move on to is a bit of feedback from last week last week we were primarily looking at the emergence of hyundai's inline sonata, so the rise and rise of hyundai n beat in that more more hardcore in uh version or an inline, and we had Plenty of feedback and our old mate peter pannusis said that he was bloody impressed, not just impressed bloody impressed with what hyundai's been doing lately with the n and the n line variance, and he really gets the fact that n is more hardcore. He says that's not for him. He doesn't turn the music up to 11 that's that's, not his goal, he's more inline, good performance without the hard edges, more comfy, less raucous less in your face and our review when it when it arrives, could uh propel the sonata to the top of his shopping List now for more recent uh people who have joined us on the podcast peter's shopping list has been building for at least the last two years. He joined us on a road test to celebrate our 100th episode of the podcast and he was compiling his list. Then that was a year or so ago, so peter's list one day: he'll buy a car, but he'll keep us informed in the um in the interim. Now general damage and good to have you with us, sir uh general damage says you know the story had said coming for stinger and he says, but at front wheel, drive uh come on man um, a phrase that he borrowed from joe biden, and that is that Is a sticking point i mean the stinger has got to have an advantage for traditional performance enthusiasts with its front end, rear drive, setup and a sonata is going to struggle trying to win those over don't.
You think guys well again, because we've now embraced the hot hatch concept. Uh people are of the opinion or are forming the opinion that front wheel drive can be really good yeah, you know. If you drive, you drive a really functional, well, sorted front wheel, drive car there's, no there's, no real trade off, so you know maybe that's i should know, but maybe that's old thinking very good. Now, what what we can say further to that front, wheel, drive, thought jim danex says: can't, wait for your test drive report on the sonata inline as not sure how well it will corner without with all that power and no elsd. So uh that's a fair point that um it's it's getting up there in terms of power and to put that effectively onto the ground through the front uh treads. You probably do need some kind of limited slip dip. So it will be interesting to drive for sure, jim and berdy our owl mate birdie, proud, victorian, says the ascent of sonatas have always been very ordinary. This end keeps that trend alive. So his view is that it's not winning on the design stakes and he is supported in no small measure by de cook, who says he dislikes the stinger for its non existent practicality. There you go his word's, not mine, but says, disagree. Okay, go mel, go! Go ahead, i lived with one for three months and and carried a family of fours.
Everything in that car was it your family. Was it your family or someone else's family? Occasionally i borrowed one, but generally my family you're, borrowing that you in cargo, practical cargo space to a sportage and the the back seat is relatively narrow for a big car and the the you know. The access height is quite low, but for kids, it's. And if given i'm short and loading them in it's, fine, it's, really quite practical, okay, that's, good that's, good feedback. Well, anyway, the cook goes on to say that sonata doesn't even compare to the great design of the stinger. It looks like hyundai's moved from boring design to over design just too much going on and not in a good way for his taste, and i think a lot of people agree with him. It is quite a busy uh look and look for that. Car yeah and look. The sedans of this size are still very popular in the us, but in australia, they're swimming against the tide. Yeah, in that you know, cars like the sonata and you know even the camry and the mazda6 sell to a particular age group and uh it's, quite risky to go controversial with the styling for people of that age. Group yep uh, so we'll see how they go. Time will see things changing and you know adding a performance. Multiple lineup is interesting. Well, i think actually, the only sonata we're going to get is this end line um unless i'm right? Okay, if i'm wrong, i think that's right but anyway, yeah owen, warby, says it'd be nice if it had a manual gearbox and yes, it would, and it puts me in mind of current drivers.
Long running campaign called save the manuals, which has been going for some time and i'm, a full on supporter, but manual gearboxes are becoming increasingly problematic in the new car market. People people just seemingly don't, want them or can't drive them. You know well getting getting the fuel economy number two, yes is not as easy. So precisely you know precisely average just offer yeah i'm clearly quite out of the loop with the sonata issue, but um has anyone uh investigated whether the uh new south wales, police are gon na, be lining up for the sonata in line, because they've certainly bought a Lot of the current one mal you couldn't have come up with a better segue if you, if you'd come in riding on one um, that that is perfect, because our last uh comment is from tj cgv. The very fast train um says, among other things, new south wales, police will love so that's new south wales in australia, we'll love the sonata inline lots of ss and xr6 turbos about to be decommissioned. So he is on the same thought line as you. There, mel and lots of current leader, turbo sonatas, yeah yeah, so uh they've already got the deal going with hyundai, maybe it's a it's, a short step uh to take up this end line for some highway patrol type work all right! Well speaking of people who should be pulled over by the highway patrol, it is time for musk watch, cool and uh this week.
We'Ll kick it off sure enough. Elon has been back on uh the twitters and he said as a teaser tesla holiday software release is to fire emoji emoji, so fire it's going to be whatever the software update is going to be fire and adam pope. Various people were coming back with what they might like to see as this software update alarmingly. Quite a lot of people wanted full self driving, but anyway, hopefully um just a few get that in beta mode. Alan pope, adam pope, wanted an ac mod that smells like gravy. I thought that was a very, very interesting one and chakra rajasthani took all that on board and said i'll comment later i'm in the hospital, my cousin brother swallowed a 16 gigabyte memory card and he's singing all the songs on it. We just pray, he doesn't reach the video folder so that's the kind of commentary that elon is getting on his twitter post these days and in a similar vein and bear in mind this man is going to turn 50 in 2021. He came up with a tweet that said chicken or egg case closed, and his closing argument was a graphic that actually had uh various animals, egg, laying animals that had evolved and lived well before for the chicken. So he's saying the egg definitely came before the chicken case closed, but mark one of the commenters said, except for this, and he quoted a story where a sri lankan hen has given birth to a chick without an egg.
In a new twist on the age old question of whether the chicken or egg came first instead of passing out of the hen's body and being incubated outside the egg, was incubated in the hen for 21 days and then hatched inside. So there you go no egg. At all, and just to close off with the tesla share price, it has bumped up appreciably 486.64 a share. It was 413 last week it hit a high of 495 dollars yesterday and um a publication called opto trading. Intelligence uh is saying: tesla's share, price continues to shock investors and there are a couple of things behind that it's. Finally, cracked it for a spot on the s p, 500. So that brings with it its own kind of impromada and and substantiates the stock as a valid choice in the eyes of investors and morgan stanley has gone all in on its recommendation on tesla shares and opto called out that we are now at 427.7 percent increase Year on year, on, the share price and good old elon is not far from bill gates for the second mo richest person on the planet, he's beyond zuckerberg and gunning for for bill gates. So god knows where you'll go from here, but that is the story and with that is there any connection between uh yesterday i was just wondering if there's any connection between uh. You know tesla fortunes with with spacex. You know they. They finally got the the thing to the to the space station without turning the the uh astronauts into cosmic coleslaw.
You know, there's. Now a government contract it's the same lunatic don't. They it's all coming up roses for him. I mean he he was quite um. He was quite transparent in saying that it was only uh. I want to say a couple of years ago where he was on the brink of financial collapse with tesla and i'm sure that would have punched a big hole in his ambitions with spacex. So, like any uh, you know courageous entrepreneur, he's really pushed push things and walked a very fine line financially and it seems to be paying off for him now all right. Well, look i think, with that. We have reached the finish line and i want to say thanks mal thank you james and thank you dave, my pleasure and and thanks to our humbly, confident production guru, digital wizard and innovation rock star, mr pritchard, for his sleight of hand in bringing this show together. Today, he's wearing a t, shirt saying people reckon i'm too patronising. That means i treat them like they're really stupid bike shorts with the label. Warning may contain nuts and godzilla shoes uh. Let us know your thoughts, you can find cars guide and facebook and instagram or email us at comments carsguide.com if you're an apple, podcast listener, please rate and review us remember. You can also watch us on youtube and, if you're already a subscriber make sure if you're already a viewer make sure you subscribe to the cars guide youtube channel, so you can stay on top of all our latest reviews.